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customerserviceguy

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11. Let's look at the experiences
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 01:07 PM
Jul 2019

of both Barack Obama and Kamala Harris.

They spent substantial parts of their younger years outside the United States. During those younger years, when they were in the United States, they were in states that were highly multi-ethnic. They were able to get into really good schools for their higher education. And when they ran for office, they dealt with more successes than losses.

Does that sound like the experience of a person living in a formerly segregated part of the United States, that is still pretty segregated in practice, if not by law? Someone who's heard stories of the Jim Crow days from their grandparents, or even older stories about slavery such as what Alex Haley did?

In my conversations with African-Americans in my town (we all like to go to the Beer Den on Thirsty Thursdays!), I'm the guy who brings up politics, and most of what I hear is positive, about Joe Biden being a part of the successful Obama Administration. They know I moved from "up North" (New York State) and had been a Northwesterner (WA State) before that, so I think they feel comfortable speaking with me openly.

I have asked about Booker and Harris, and while they're glad to see both of them in the running, they don't seem to relate to either of them. With Booker, they know he's a vegan, and nearly everybody of all colors likes barbecue in SC, so it makes him hard to fathom. With Harris, I've gotten the feeling that she is perceived as a bit "bossy", and one fellow even opined that when it came time to find a husband, a black man wasn't good enough. He was laughed off by the others, but when I said, "Hey, you love who you love," I was met with, "So, you gonna talk about that white mayor from South Bend again?" to more laughter.

I backed off a bit at that point, and said, "Well, I can understand why people feel comfortable with Joe Biden" and we all went back to talking about beer and sports. Perhaps my experiences were not typical.

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I think she has the same problem Barack had. mainstreetonce Jul 2019 #1
Barack Obama had one big thing going for him customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #6
Indian/African backgrounds are more common in Jamaica due to the British colonial influence htuttle Jul 2019 #2
The "you aren't really black" attack is a divisive tactic MaryMagdaline Jul 2019 #3
If you don't "talk black ..." EffieBlack Jul 2019 #18
Something of nothing JustAnotherGen Jul 2019 #4
This Recursion Jul 2019 #5
Is it possible customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #9
Nope JustAnotherGen Jul 2019 #10
Let's look at the experiences customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #11
Exhausting JustAnotherGen Jul 2019 #16
I have no doubt customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #22
This assumes that the "black experience" is limited to a very narrow stereotype assumed by some EffieBlack Jul 2019 #21
I'm sure there's a very wide variation customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #23
No. EffieBlack Jul 2019 #19
Guess you never lived in the northeast. AAs and West Indians get along well mostly. brush Jul 2019 #7
I will eat jerk all day. The first time I saw animosity was when I heard an agitated West Indian... TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 #14
The Tutsis and Hutus JustAnotherGen Jul 2019 #20
Great question. Back in the '80s, I worked for a company with headquarters Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #8
Beautiful! spicysista Jul 2019 #12
Awww...Thanks, spicysista! Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #15
It is most curious to me customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #24
It's most curious to me his numbers are falling Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #25
I know very little about the answer, but I like this question a lot. nt Susan Calvin Jul 2019 #13
I don't think it's innocent JustAnotherGen Jul 2019 #17
Yeah, I realized that when I started hearing it other places. nt Susan Calvin Jul 2019 #29
When you see her what is it you see? tirebiter Jul 2019 #26
I grew up with a completely racist white grandmother lapfog_1 Jul 2019 #27
Kamala is being attacked, watoos Jul 2019 #28
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