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guillaumeb

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Sun Sep 2, 2018, 05:07 PM Sep 2018

What causes the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) to hide the problem of pedophile priests? [View all]


My opinion, based on my own reading, is that it is a combination of factors.
There is research into the fact that members of an institution will often cover up illegalities by fellow members of their particular institution.
It does not matter if the institution is a religious group, or branches of the military, or scouting organizations, or show business, or schools, or businesses. The tendency to hide and accept criminal behavior that should be exposed is common to all of these groupings.
Here are only a few examples. Many more are easily discovered.

1) After All This Time, the Military Is Continuing to Hide Its Rape Problem

This comes on the heels of another disturbing expose about the mishandling of sexual assault cases at the Air Force Academy. Most disturbing was the revelation that mental health officials appeared to fabricate records to justify spurious diagnosis of personality disorders to damage and discredit victims. While some important reforms have been made in the five years since the sexual assault scandals at Lackland Air Force Base, the story shows the limits of that progress and the lengths that commands will go to bury rape charges and avoid public scrutiny.



https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/05/after-all-this-time-the-military-is-continuing-to-hide-its-rape-problem/

2) Boy Scout files reveal long history of child sex abuse cases


Since at least 1919, the Boy Scouts has maintained the internal files to keep suspected pedophiles from re-entering the organization. But in a number of cases, the files show, the organization failed to take proper steps in suspected cases of abuse.


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-18/business/sns-rt-us-usa-boyscouts-abusebre89h0zf-20121018_1_abuse-cases-boy-scouts-files-show

3) Schools failing to protect students from sexual abuse by school personnel, federal report says


Hampered by inadequate access to employee background information, school districts unwittingly hire teachers and staff accused of sexually abusing students in other districts and states, the report said. With little training on how to recognize early signs of predatory behavior, school employees don’t always pay attention to a colleague who is “grooming” a student for sexual abuse with inappropriate attention. And some school districts quietly dismiss teachers accused of potential child sexual abuse, without alerting future employers or seeking to revoke teaching credentials, the report said.



https://edsource.org/2014/schools-failing-to-protect-students-from-sexual-abuse-by-school-personnel-federal-report-says/57023


Child abuse in the US

It's hard to imagine someone intentionally hurting a child. Yet nearly 1 million children are abused every year just in the United States alone. And these are only the reported incidents of child abuse — many more cases are unreported and undetected, often because children are afraid to tell somebody who can help.
Most of the time, kids know their abusers and the abuse happens in the home. This makes it difficult for kids to speak up. They may feel trapped by the affection they feel for their abusers or fearful of the power the abusers have over them — so they stay silent. That's why it's especially important to be able to recognize the signs of child abuse….

It would be simpler if all child abusers followed a pattern and were easy to recognize. The truth is that child abusers come from all walks of life. They can be parents, other family members, teachers, coaches, and family friends. Virtually anyone who has access to a child is in a position to mistreat the child. Fortunately, the vast majority of people don't.


https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/child-abuse.html

Confronting Child Sexual Abuse Statistics All Parents Need to Know

2. 95 percent of sexually abused children will be abused by someone they know and trust (NAPCAN 2009).
3. Of those molesting a child under six, 50 percent were family members. Family members also accounted for 23 percent of those abusing children 12 to 17 years (Snyder, 2000).
5. Males made up 90 percent of adult child sexual assault perpetrators, while 3.9 percent of perpetrators were female, with a further 6 percent classified as ’unknown gender’ (McCloskey & Raphael, 2005).


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/12-confronting-statistics-on-child-sexual-abuse_us_587dab01e4b0740488c3de49
Note: I strongly suggest reading the entire article outlining the other factors.

My thoughts on the issue:

Looking at the last entry, dealing with sexual abuse of a minor, we see that 95% of children are abused by someone that they know, and that 50% of those who molest a young child are family members.

We know that sexualized violence is a human trait.

We know that those who commit sexualized violence are predators.

We know that predators will be found where the potential victims are found. A deer hunter does not hunt for deer in an urban area. The hunter goes where the deer are to be found. And these predators are on the hunt for their victims, so it makes sense that they will be found wherever there are victims.

In the case of the RCC, we have a male priesthood, and if males make up 90% of those who sexually abuse children, it stands to reason that in a predominantly male group, the likelihood of finding predators is apparent.

Again, in the case of the RCC, we have a very hierarchical institution, and given the frequency with which institutions tend to protect their own, we can understand, but we cannot excuse, why the RCC felt it was necessary to close ranks around their offenders.

We also know, as I have pointed out by linking to my posts here, that RCC Canon Law was, and remains, written to keep child abuse “in house”, in the RCC itself.
A similar problem can be found in the military, where Commanders have often hidden sex crimes committed under their command.
A similar problem can be found in the police forces, where some officers obviously have an “us versus them” mentality when they cover for their own.

Almost as if all of these various groupings function somewhat like a tribe, where the interests of tribe members override other interests.

My personal conclusion:
Unfortunately, sexual abuse is a human trait. A certain percentage of humans will abuse others if they can do so. This does not excuse the abuse, nor does it excuse the even more egregious act of covering up sexual abuse.
In my view, the cover up is definitely worse than the crime.
Finally, as I pointed out here and elsewhere, there can be no excusing sexual violence. Sexualized violence is primarily violence and aggression, and we all, as individuals and as members of institutions, have an obligation to expose it when we find it.


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Another reason is the shortage of priests Quemado Sep 2018 #1
But the issues is not simply that pedophiles exist in the priesthood, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #3
Pedophiles exist in every profession and walk of life.. whathehell Sep 2018 #103
Of course. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #104
Cover ups, yes whathehell Sep 2018 #105
And I understand that people hold religious groups to a higher standard, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #107
One hopes that there is at least some minimal vetting that goes on marylandblue Sep 2018 #113
And that is a good suggestion. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #119
Those weren't suggestions for a future plan for possible implemention marylandblue Sep 2018 #121
There was no background check when I attended a university. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #122
This isn't about background checks marylandblue Sep 2018 #125
Well whathehell Sep 2018 #115
Yes they do, but as we all know, intentions and actions do not always accord. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #120
Actually whathehell Sep 2018 #124
Well I think priests just intended to get a good job marylandblue Sep 2018 #128
This was going on long before there was any shortage of priests. nt. Mariana Sep 2018 #7
True, but Quemado Sep 2018 #10
As long as there have been sexual predators, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #15
This thread is about the protection of the sexual predators, Gil. Mariana Sep 2018 #16
I did not claim that a shortage of priests was a factor. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #22
Nor did she claim you said that. MineralMan Sep 2018 #23
See posts 16 and 22. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #132
Gil has told us he receives numerous personal messages Mariana Sep 2018 #143
Excellent analysis. Maybe you can recommend changes. California_Republic Sep 2018 #2
I agree with your analysis. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #4
Uh, money? TlalocW Sep 2018 #5
Agreed. It is one reason. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #6
Yep, money and control/power BigmanPigman Sep 2018 #11
"Uh, money?" mitch96 Sep 2018 #12
Closed, hierarchical concentrated power. As the saying goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely Raven123 Sep 2018 #8
Agreed. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #9
High ranking members of any organization believe that they know better than the No Vested Interest Sep 2018 #38
Nor do I. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #40
centuries of patriarchy. pansypoo53219 Sep 2018 #13
In every institution. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #14
Are RCC child rape apologists part of the institution of child rape? Major Nikon Sep 2018 #17
Anyone who fails to report abuse, no matter the institution, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #24
Why am I not surprised you didn't answer the question? Major Nikon Sep 2018 #61
See #54 MineralMan Sep 2018 #65
You agree both Pope's are culpable? Lordquinton Sep 2018 #67
Is there a God edhopper Sep 2018 #18
Catholics believe that the Pope, like Peter, is the head of the RCC. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #25
Once again, you have failed to understand the question. MineralMan Sep 2018 #27
Once again, you failed to understand my answer. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #30
At least now we know edhopper Sep 2018 #60
The Creator might feel that free will is an important aspect of sentience. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #70
Did the children who were raped have free will edhopper Sep 2018 #74
Free will does not mean freedom "from" anything. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #78
So they think the Creator edhopper Sep 2018 #93
I cannot answer the last question. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #97
Above their fealty to God? edhopper Sep 2018 #99
What individuals do reflects on themselves. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #101
So the RCC edhopper Sep 2018 #106
The RCC has existed for 2,000 years. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #108
any school edhopper Sep 2018 #111
And how would this solution be implemented? eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #117
Institutions HAVE been disbanded before or leadership completely replaced marylandblue Sep 2018 #112
Entitlement. As representatives of God on Earth, MineralMan Sep 2018 #19
That's a point usually ignored in this forum marylandblue Sep 2018 #20
Exactly. MineralMan Sep 2018 #21
We expect more, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #28
Yes, it is logical to expect more from some not others. marylandblue Sep 2018 #32
There are certain human behaviors that seem to be constant. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #35
Answer my question. marylandblue Sep 2018 #39
My doctor does not smoke. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #41
I did not ask about what your actually doctor does, but what your expectations of him are. marylandblue Sep 2018 #42
We differ on the doctor question. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #43
Imperfection and inconsistency do not surprise me either marylandblue Sep 2018 #45
300 priests and 1000+ victims in just one state, MineralMan Sep 2018 #34
Again, you demonstrate your misunderstanding. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #37
How many of them being pedophiles edhopper Sep 2018 #94
No number is acceptable. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #98
So the RCC gets a pass edhopper Sep 2018 #100
No one should get a pass. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #102
Institutions get a pass with you. marylandblue Sep 2018 #114
My post contradicts your assertion. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #118
Yes, because you describe it as unfortunate human trait marylandblue Sep 2018 #171
It is a trait that exists everywhere. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #172
Again, you are overgeneralizing and avoiding significant details in the RCC scandal marylandblue Sep 2018 #173
Yes indeed. Religions should be held to higher standards than the groups the OP names Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #44
Utternonsenseism on your part. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #26
So many fallacies in your post. Biggest is "what-about-ism". Nice try, but you failed. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #29
You failed to understand the post, and the history presented. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #31
So many misunderstanding your post? MineralMan Sep 2018 #33
No, a very few. You among them. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #36
.. MineralMan Sep 2018 #47
The only answer that you could have given? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #49
.. MineralMan Sep 2018 #50
I understood it perfectly Major Nikon Sep 2018 #62
I understand your agenda perfectly. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #71
Opposition to child rape apologia Major Nikon Sep 2018 #76
And when you find that rape apologia, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #79
I already did Major Nikon Sep 2018 #90
Right. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #95
For all the organizations... 'Protect the institution'... which protects the leaders. keithbvadu2 Sep 2018 #46
True, and each such organization is excusing criminal behavior. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #48
a bunch of false equivalencies AlexSFCA Sep 2018 #51
Incorrect. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #52
Yes, families are a major issue, although a very different one from the church marylandblue Sep 2018 #53
The real issue is sexual predation. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #54
I know of more cases like that than you do, not all involving sexual abuse marylandblue Sep 2018 #55
Agreed. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #59
I wish I did not know that about you. MineralMan Sep 2018 #57
You were "very uncomfortable?" MineralMan Sep 2018 #66
My rief story was taken from my over 30 years of union representation. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #75
Well, lacking that important information, yes, I did not have a complete picture. MineralMan Sep 2018 #80
And for that I apologized. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #81
children cannot serve in US military AlexSFCA Sep 2018 #56
Children attend school, and belong to athletic clubs, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #58
This has to be the biggest stretch I've seen in a long time Lordquinton Sep 2018 #68
Because "Creator?" MineralMan Sep 2018 #69
They do always seem to get touchy (no pun intended) when you ask theological questions Lordquinton Sep 2018 #91
Briefly glance at my own title. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #77
Your title is what raised my question Lordquinton Sep 2018 #92
Alternatively, you missed the point. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #96
I got your point Lordquinton Sep 2018 #109
My suspicion is confirmed. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #110
K Lordquinton Sep 2018 #116
Religion isn't just the setting, it is part of the coverup marylandblue Sep 2018 #126
gil doesn't want anyone to talk about that. trotsky Sep 2018 #177
Another issue, which I think is pretty much unique to the RCC, thucythucy Sep 2018 #63
Very well argued. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #72
Their religious belief that canon law supersedes secular law. trotsky Sep 2018 #64
I have already posted about Canon Law in another post. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #73
And you started a new thread to try and set the terms of the discussion to exclude religion. trotsky Sep 2018 #82
And I titled it "What causes the Roman Catholic Church...etc". guillaumeb Sep 2018 #83
But you tried to exclude RELIGION from the discussion, despite this being the RELIGION group. trotsky Sep 2018 #84
No, you are simply trying to convince yourself, in spite of the evidence of the actual post, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #86
OK. trotsky Sep 2018 #87
You are amazing. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #89
Your analysis is superficial and incomplete marylandblue Sep 2018 #142
My analysis, like every post at DU, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #148
Between hundreds of pages and a single cause -canon law marylandblue Sep 2018 #170
TL;DR Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #85
I'll give you the TL;DR summary: trotsky Sep 2018 #88
This might help you understand this post: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #123
You are denying (or simply ignoring) the vast scale of this conspiracy marylandblue Sep 2018 #127
This post, my own, refutes what you wrote. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #130
An example of you denying or ignoring the scale is here marylandblue Sep 2018 #141
You know, he quoted that to me the other day Lordquinton Sep 2018 #144
If it is 7%, what of the other 93% guillaumeb Sep 2018 #147
Before I answer that, first you have to admit that marylandblue Sep 2018 #158
There are many cources, and all of them are estimates. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #162
The estimates matter, as does the source marylandblue Sep 2018 #165
And my final question, of culpability. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #166
you don't admit the truth, you don't get an answer marylandblue Sep 2018 #167
What truth? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #168
That you chose the lowest, most biased available estimate marylandblue Sep 2018 #169
Yep, that's the definition. Thanks for confirming it's what you do. trotsky Sep 2018 #129
You see what you wish to see. Or need to see. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #131
A non-response. trotsky Sep 2018 #134
My feeling is that you are a non-literalist. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #135
HAHAHAHA trotsky Sep 2018 #137
My observation was not intended as an insult. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #149
Do you believe anything that is written in the Bible? MineralMan Sep 2018 #152
Yes, I believe in the message of Jesus. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #154
Jesus is supposed to have said many things. Which part of his "message" MineralMan Sep 2018 #156
Guill's Concise Summary of Belief would in fact be a useful marylandblue Sep 2018 #159
I've often asked Gil to provide a glossary Mariana Sep 2018 #179
I don't think he has any real religious beliefs marylandblue Sep 2018 #180
Then you are a literalist. trotsky Sep 2018 #175
Wait...weren't you just calling us "literalists" the other week? MineralMan Sep 2018 #138
It must be very hard to keep all of this straight, MineralMan. Mariana Sep 2018 #139
I'm thinking I might need index cards MineralMan Sep 2018 #140
Many of the atheists here insist on a literal interpretation of the Bible. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #150
Actually, we don't take any of the Bible literally. MineralMan Sep 2018 #151
I have been asked to list exactly which verses I take literally. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #153
That is not what I asked you. MineralMan Sep 2018 #155
It's not nonsense at all. In fact you are the only Christian I know marylandblue Sep 2018 #160
And I have responded to specifics, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #163
No, you often haven't, but that's off topic marylandblue Sep 2018 #164
"Many of the atheists here insist on a literal interpretation of the Bible." trotsky Sep 2018 #178
The only thing gil is consistent about... trotsky Sep 2018 #176
Wait, what? Lordquinton Sep 2018 #145
You stated: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #133
You are once again completely mistaken and imagining persecution where it doesn't exist. trotsky Sep 2018 #136
Your further conclusion that I am deflecting is proven false by my post. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #146
Yes, you have convinced yourself MineralMan Sep 2018 #157
2 weak attempts might make harmony, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #161
I yield to your superior argument consisting of "no u." trotsky Sep 2018 #174
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