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trotsky

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72. Sure, we've had a lot of people look at it.

Tue Sep 4, 2018, 04:14 PM

Sep 2018

They don't come to the same conclusions that you do.

There are all sorts of moralities that humans have pretty broad agreement on. Don't steal except in narrow, life-threatening circumstances, don't commit murder with a few exceptions like self-defense, defense of others.

But we're not necessarily talking about those. We're talking about morals in religion, remember? You're trying to change the subject, to redirect the discussion to a different area where you can portray me as taking a straw man position and you as the voice of reason. Not gonna work.

Recall that my first post to you was #22, asking how you know which versions of Christianity were "very good" and which ones were "very bad."

You've consistently tried to avoid discussing that subject directly, and so here we are now with you nitpicking about a totally different subject.

You said that you can know good Christians from bad Christians "by their actions." That's what you said.

So to test your expert opinion on this, are Christians who oppose abortion good or bad?

the giant blinding point you miss is that EVERYONE disagrees to some extent about what "good" and "bad" is.

Uh, not quite sure how to break this to you but that IS my point. Everyone DOES disagree. You're the one saying that people KNOW when they're being bad - that everyone DOES know what "bad" is. You're wrong, and that's what I've been trying to point out to you the whole time.

You can't say what Christians are "bad" or "good" because you don't know. You can't know. Everything you THINK you know about Christianity could be completely wrong. If more religious people could realize this, and understand how it applies to everyone, religion wouldn't be nearly the threat it is.

But apparently, for you, that's what "behaving badly" means which suggests you think the vast majority of humans behave badly.

I have no idea how you came up with that, but at this point you don't seem to care anymore. You're just desperate to get out of the corner you painted yourself into.

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Once Again, Christianity is a Minority Religion [View all] MineralMan Sep 2018 OP

Yeah, but we're gaining collection basket contributors every day because we don't allow birth contro 3Hotdogs Sep 2018 #1

Actually, those numbers are going down since that 2010 survey. MineralMan Sep 2018 #2

Well done, MM, saidsimplesimon Sep 2018 #3

Not just christians. Every religion thinks it is the chosen one, the only one, the true one, saved. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #4

Indeed. They could be all wrong. MineralMan Sep 2018 #5

No, not all religions do think they are the only one. gtar100 Sep 2018 #9

Yes, sects of those religions don't proselytize, but other sects of them do. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #12

IIRC the Bahai qazplm135 Sep 2018 #63

Majority-minority religion qazplm135 Sep 2018 #6

Simple. Christianity is the dominant religion in the place MineralMan Sep 2018 #7

it's the dominant religion qazplm135 Sep 2018 #10

Christian is a broad term Lordquinton Sep 2018 #8

they all believe in Jesus qazplm135 Sep 2018 #11

It's rather mockable. As are just about all religions. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #13

I don't think so qazplm135 Sep 2018 #14

At the bottom of that word salad is a story Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #15

so what? qazplm135 Sep 2018 #18

Are the morals of Christianity good? nt. Mariana Sep 2018 #19

some of them are, yes qazplm135 Sep 2018 #20

How do you determine which ones are good and which ones are bad? trotsky Sep 2018 #22

by their actions qazplm135 Sep 2018 #24

By their actions according to whom? trotsky Sep 2018 #26

lol qazplm135 Sep 2018 #31

Do they? How do you know? trotsky Sep 2018 #32

lol qazplm135 Sep 2018 #33

More weasel words. "most" "almost" trotsky Sep 2018 #34

Facepalm qazplm135 Sep 2018 #48

You used weasel words to acknowledge you were wrong, without having to admit I was right. trotsky Sep 2018 #49

Good grief this is painful... qazplm135 Sep 2018 #56

Yes, it's quite painful being confronted with evidence that contradicts your worldview. trotsky Sep 2018 #61

Right qazplm135 Sep 2018 #67

Sure, we've had a lot of people look at it. trotsky Sep 2018 #72

Sigh qazplm135 Sep 2018 #80

You said you can tell good Christianity from bad Christianity. trotsky Sep 2018 #82

Most of them show remorse, most of them plead guilty. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #51

have you worked in the criminal justice system? qazplm135 Sep 2018 #57

Do they think their crimes are truly bad? marylandblue Sep 2018 #60

It took Christianity nearly 2,000 exboyfil Sep 2018 #54

Oh hell they would still be burning people Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #55

It took humanity that long qazplm135 Sep 2018 #58

So morality seems to be independent of religion. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #66

of course morality is "independent of religion" qazplm135 Sep 2018 #68

Your claim was that it wasn't mockable. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #21

my claim was that qazplm135 Sep 2018 #25

Oh. You were unclear. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #50

I'm unclear how this: qazplm135 Sep 2018 #59

Mocking a religion is not mocking a person. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #65

sure it is qazplm135 Sep 2018 #69

Sure it isn't. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #73

what a wonderful qazplm135 Sep 2018 #79

Morals that include selling your children into slavery Major Nikon Sep 2018 #27

I'm pretty sure it is something less than 2 billion qazplm135 Sep 2018 #38

There is no doctrine and dogma that goes with atheism Major Nikon Sep 2018 #41

I didn't say there was qazplm135 Sep 2018 #42

"reading comprehension" Major Nikon Sep 2018 #47

tell you what qazplm135 Sep 2018 #62

Such a long post to rerun your strawman Major Nikon Sep 2018 #75

so clearly qazplm135 Sep 2018 #77

Sure clear to you, meanwhile others are a bit more cloudy on accepting your fallacies Major Nikon Sep 2018 #81

You can have the morals without the myth Lordquinton Sep 2018 #16

or you can focus on the morals over the myth qazplm135 Sep 2018 #17

Which morals? trotsky Sep 2018 #28

You mean like discrimination against women and LGBTQ? Major Nikon Sep 2018 #29

so every Christian and Christian group does that? qazplm135 Sep 2018 #30

Of course it isn't all or nothing. Mariana Sep 2018 #35

Almost all Christian groups discriminate against LGBTQ Major Nikon Sep 2018 #40

I've met plenty of Christians qazplm135 Sep 2018 #43

Please don't pretend not to understand simple English words. Mariana Sep 2018 #53

here's what you wrote qazplm135 Sep 2018 #64

Do you know any Christians who don't believe Christianity is true? Mariana Sep 2018 #70

Absolutely qazplm135 Sep 2018 #71

Obama is a Christian group? Lordquinton Sep 2018 #37

So you are saying qazplm135 Sep 2018 #45

So what about the content of what I said? Lordquinton Sep 2018 #74

I've pretty clearly addressed qazplm135 Sep 2018 #78

I can figure out that you avoided it Lordquinton Sep 2018 #83

"lazy thought process" Major Nikon Sep 2018 #39

you absolutely implied it qazplm135 Sep 2018 #44

Horseshit Major Nikon Sep 2018 #76

Or just leave the myth behind Lordquinton Sep 2018 #36

yeah no, not really qazplm135 Sep 2018 #46

Muslims also believe in Jesus Major Nikon Sep 2018 #23

The Mormon belief in Jesus exboyfil Sep 2018 #52