Religion

morals are morals, in that the overarching concept of a moral system...there isn't some divider between them.

The systems one gets to reach those morals, the morals that one prioritizes over other morals are certainly very different, but the idea that "religious" morals are different qualitatively from "other" morals is downright silly.

You're creating arbitrary distinctions to set up the idea that religious morals are inherently different so that you can attack it.

If a religious person says...stealing is wrong, and a nonreligious person says, stealing is wrong...those are the exact same morals.

I said you determine good and bad from actions...I didn't limit it to "Christians" that's you. That's the whole problem with your viewpoint. I can "know" just as much about Christians being good or bad as I can about nonChristians. Everything I think I know about reality could be completely wrong. I could be the only person that exists and the rest of you figments of my imagination.

And yes people do know when they are committing a bad act most of the time. That's why we have guilt. The fact that folks disagree about what bad acts are is a SEPARATE thing. I said nothing about everyone agreeing on what bad acts are...but within each person's own moral system, they in fact do know when they have done something wrong.

You seem to be invested either in the idea that there is a single objective moral system, or that since there is disagreement on moral systems, there are no universal morals. You also greatly expand what a bad act is vice simply holding different opinions. Or more simply, you are so invested in "religion is a threat" that it blinds you to anything else.

Religion isn't a threat. PEOPLE are a threat. If religion didn't exist, the same people would present the same threats just from some other perspective.

That results in you are creating a simplistic strawman of what I'm saying so you can knock it down. You are then attempting to take the nuance and complexity I'm stating as "painting yourself into a corner."

The reality is you don't want a discussion, and you don't want to try and understand my perspective, so I'm done wasting electrons on you. Feel free to post some version of "