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In reply to the discussion: The myth of moral equivalence [View all]

qazplm135

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37. Let's take one example, the military
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 02:27 PM
Sep 2018

I'm an Army JAG. I've defended and prosecuted, supervised the defense and prosecution of, and done appeals for a ton of sexual assault cases. I've seen strong, weak and close cases. I've seen the process of bringing a case from start to finish at dozens of military installations with varying degrees of competence.

I can tell you pretty strongly that comparing the military's handling of sexual assault cases to the RCC's handling of priest abuse cases is comparing an ice cube to an iceberg.

1. The military has to actively report on at least an annual basis all restricted and unrestricted reports of sexual assault. And often there are congressional data calls on a more frequent basis. I remember answering Senator McCaskill's requests for data on almost a monthly basis when I was a chief prosecutor of a base in Missouri.

2. The laws governing sexual assault have been changed significantly roughly 4 times since 2007 in the military. Every change has been focused on increasing convictions and rights for alleged victims, none have been focused on increasing rights for the accused. Every change has made it more likely that cases go to trial, not less.

So you can believe the military aint there yet and has problems, but you cannot argue that attempts at transparency haven't happened or that changes in practice haven't happened.

The RCC has done very little changing to transparency or practice.

The myth of moral equivalence [View all] marylandblue Sep 2018 OP
And where are these attempts at excusing criminal behavior? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #1
I did not say anything was excusable or that there was any attempt at excusing behavior marylandblue Sep 2018 #2
No, it is implicitly excusing by claiming that everyone does it. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #4
I will give you the examples, but I am not sure how to take your answer marylandblue Sep 2018 #10
I agree that there are levels of evil. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #11
Except you. MineralMan Sep 2018 #12
Demonstrating only that you misunderstand the proper application of the fallacy. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #14
Again, I did not say that you engaged in tu quoque marylandblue Sep 2018 #13
I understand. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #15
Yes, but do you really think people were not aware of that? marylandblue Sep 2018 #16
I am not certain. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #19
Maybe you should ask? marylandblue Sep 2018 #20
Perhaps. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #21
Glad you asked. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #36
We agree. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #40
No, we don't. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #46
You are incorrect. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #48
How does it go... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #51
Well, be certain now. trotsky Sep 2018 #31
Let's take one example, the military qazplm135 Sep 2018 #37
I have linked to many articles demonstrating how covering up sexual assault is guillaumeb Sep 2018 #42
lol qazplm135 Sep 2018 #49
I just started the book Idiot America--by Charles P. Pierce- digonswine Sep 2018 #17
You need to research what you accuse me of. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #18
I was referring to another post of yours-- digonswine Sep 2018 #22
I criticized the sexual predation, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #23
No there are other things that make the RCC stand out marylandblue Sep 2018 #24
What you are doing is pointing out that abuse and coverup has happened elsewhere, trotsky Sep 2018 #32
What you did was demonstrate that you misunderstood what I wrote, and have written. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #41
Bullshit. trotsky Sep 2018 #45
No, you are obviously intelligent, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #47
Then explain it. trotsky Sep 2018 #50
No, reread the thread. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #52
I don't see it. trotsky Sep 2018 #53
Yes. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #54
Read this again: trotsky Sep 2018 #55
Utter nonsense. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #56
Ol' one-note gil. trotsky Sep 2018 #57
Whataboutism / tu quoque Lordquinton Sep 2018 #27
And when you understand why it is used, you will see that it does not apply. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #38
Oh, my mistake Lordquinton Sep 2018 #44
Examples based on your incorrect statement? Lordquinton Sep 2018 #26
+100 MineralMan Sep 2018 #5
Feel free to point out these DU posts. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #7
.. MineralMan Sep 2018 #9
Do your own research. trotsky Sep 2018 #33
You are wrong Lordquinton Sep 2018 #25
You need to read the definition again Major Nikon Sep 2018 #29
One of us does, indeed. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #39
You have convinced your fan club Major Nikon Sep 2018 #43
Exactly. MineralMan Sep 2018 #3
Small comfort for the families of murder victims, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #6
No. That is a horrible crime, too. MineralMan Sep 2018 #8
+1. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #28
Not to mention the entire effort is designed to distract Major Nikon Sep 2018 #30
But we aren't (religion) allowed to mention (religion) what makes the RCC (religion) trotsky Sep 2018 #34
It's the people in the pews. Iggo Sep 2018 #35
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