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guillaumeb

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131. You see what you wish to see. Or need to see.

Reply to trotsky (Reply #129)

Fri Sep 7, 2018, 11:51 AM

Sep 2018

And respond accordingly.

And that explains it all.

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What causes the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) to hide the problem of pedophile priests? [View all] guillaumeb Sep 2018 OP

Another reason is the shortage of priests Quemado Sep 2018 #1

But the issues is not simply that pedophiles exist in the priesthood, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #3

Pedophiles exist in every profession and walk of life.. whathehell Sep 2018 #103

Of course. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #104

Cover ups, yes whathehell Sep 2018 #105

And I understand that people hold religious groups to a higher standard, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #107

One hopes that there is at least some minimal vetting that goes on marylandblue Sep 2018 #113

And that is a good suggestion. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #119

Those weren't suggestions for a future plan for possible implemention marylandblue Sep 2018 #121

There was no background check when I attended a university. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #122

This isn't about background checks marylandblue Sep 2018 #125

Well whathehell Sep 2018 #115

Yes they do, but as we all know, intentions and actions do not always accord. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #120

Actually whathehell Sep 2018 #124

Well I think priests just intended to get a good job marylandblue Sep 2018 #128

This was going on long before there was any shortage of priests. nt. Mariana Sep 2018 #7

True, but Quemado Sep 2018 #10

As long as there have been sexual predators, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #15

This thread is about the protection of the sexual predators, Gil. Mariana Sep 2018 #16

I did not claim that a shortage of priests was a factor. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #22

Nor did she claim you said that. MineralMan Sep 2018 #23

See posts 16 and 22. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #132

Gil has told us he receives numerous personal messages Mariana Sep 2018 #143

Excellent analysis. Maybe you can recommend changes. California_Republic Sep 2018 #2

I agree with your analysis. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #4

Uh, money? TlalocW Sep 2018 #5

Agreed. It is one reason. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #6

Yep, money and control/power BigmanPigman Sep 2018 #11

"Uh, money?" mitch96 Sep 2018 #12

Closed, hierarchical concentrated power. As the saying goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely Raven123 Sep 2018 #8

Agreed. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #9

High ranking members of any organization believe that they know better than the No Vested Interest Sep 2018 #38

Nor do I. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #40

centuries of patriarchy. pansypoo53219 Sep 2018 #13

In every institution. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #14

Are RCC child rape apologists part of the institution of child rape? Major Nikon Sep 2018 #17

Anyone who fails to report abuse, no matter the institution, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #24

Why am I not surprised you didn't answer the question? Major Nikon Sep 2018 #61

See #54 MineralMan Sep 2018 #65

You agree both Pope's are culpable? Lordquinton Sep 2018 #67

Is there a God edhopper Sep 2018 #18

Catholics believe that the Pope, like Peter, is the head of the RCC. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #25

Once again, you have failed to understand the question. MineralMan Sep 2018 #27

Once again, you failed to understand my answer. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #30

At least now we know edhopper Sep 2018 #60

The Creator might feel that free will is an important aspect of sentience. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #70

Did the children who were raped have free will edhopper Sep 2018 #74

Free will does not mean freedom "from" anything. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #78

So they think the Creator edhopper Sep 2018 #93

I cannot answer the last question. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #97

Above their fealty to God? edhopper Sep 2018 #99

What individuals do reflects on themselves. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #101

So the RCC edhopper Sep 2018 #106

The RCC has existed for 2,000 years. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #108

any school edhopper Sep 2018 #111

And how would this solution be implemented? eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #117

Institutions HAVE been disbanded before or leadership completely replaced marylandblue Sep 2018 #112

Entitlement. As representatives of God on Earth, MineralMan Sep 2018 #19

That's a point usually ignored in this forum marylandblue Sep 2018 #20

Exactly. MineralMan Sep 2018 #21

We expect more, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #28

Yes, it is logical to expect more from some not others. marylandblue Sep 2018 #32

There are certain human behaviors that seem to be constant. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #35

Answer my question. marylandblue Sep 2018 #39

My doctor does not smoke. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #41

I did not ask about what your actually doctor does, but what your expectations of him are. marylandblue Sep 2018 #42

We differ on the doctor question. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #43

Imperfection and inconsistency do not surprise me either marylandblue Sep 2018 #45

300 priests and 1000+ victims in just one state, MineralMan Sep 2018 #34

Again, you demonstrate your misunderstanding. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #37

How many of them being pedophiles edhopper Sep 2018 #94

No number is acceptable. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #98

So the RCC gets a pass edhopper Sep 2018 #100

No one should get a pass. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #102

Institutions get a pass with you. marylandblue Sep 2018 #114

My post contradicts your assertion. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #118

Yes, because you describe it as unfortunate human trait marylandblue Sep 2018 #171

It is a trait that exists everywhere. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #172

Again, you are overgeneralizing and avoiding significant details in the RCC scandal marylandblue Sep 2018 #173

Yes indeed. Religions should be held to higher standards than the groups the OP names Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #44

Utternonsenseism on your part. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #26

So many fallacies in your post. Biggest is "what-about-ism". Nice try, but you failed. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #29

You failed to understand the post, and the history presented. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #31

So many misunderstanding your post? MineralMan Sep 2018 #33

No, a very few. You among them. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #36

.. MineralMan Sep 2018 #47

The only answer that you could have given? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #49

.. MineralMan Sep 2018 #50

I understood it perfectly Major Nikon Sep 2018 #62

I understand your agenda perfectly. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #71

Opposition to child rape apologia Major Nikon Sep 2018 #76

And when you find that rape apologia, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #79

I already did Major Nikon Sep 2018 #90

Right. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #95

For all the organizations... 'Protect the institution'... which protects the leaders. keithbvadu2 Sep 2018 #46

True, and each such organization is excusing criminal behavior. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #48

a bunch of false equivalencies AlexSFCA Sep 2018 #51

Incorrect. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #52

Yes, families are a major issue, although a very different one from the church marylandblue Sep 2018 #53

The real issue is sexual predation. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #54

I know of more cases like that than you do, not all involving sexual abuse marylandblue Sep 2018 #55

Agreed. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #59

I wish I did not know that about you. MineralMan Sep 2018 #57

You were "very uncomfortable?" MineralMan Sep 2018 #66

My rief story was taken from my over 30 years of union representation. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #75

Well, lacking that important information, yes, I did not have a complete picture. MineralMan Sep 2018 #80

And for that I apologized. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #81

children cannot serve in US military AlexSFCA Sep 2018 #56

Children attend school, and belong to athletic clubs, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #58

This has to be the biggest stretch I've seen in a long time Lordquinton Sep 2018 #68

Because "Creator?" MineralMan Sep 2018 #69

They do always seem to get touchy (no pun intended) when you ask theological questions Lordquinton Sep 2018 #91

Briefly glance at my own title. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #77

Your title is what raised my question Lordquinton Sep 2018 #92

Alternatively, you missed the point. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #96

I got your point Lordquinton Sep 2018 #109

My suspicion is confirmed. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #110

K Lordquinton Sep 2018 #116

Religion isn't just the setting, it is part of the coverup marylandblue Sep 2018 #126

gil doesn't want anyone to talk about that. trotsky Sep 2018 #177

Another issue, which I think is pretty much unique to the RCC, thucythucy Sep 2018 #63

Very well argued. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #72

Their religious belief that canon law supersedes secular law. trotsky Sep 2018 #64

I have already posted about Canon Law in another post. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #73

And you started a new thread to try and set the terms of the discussion to exclude religion. trotsky Sep 2018 #82

And I titled it "What causes the Roman Catholic Church...etc". guillaumeb Sep 2018 #83

But you tried to exclude RELIGION from the discussion, despite this being the RELIGION group. trotsky Sep 2018 #84

No, you are simply trying to convince yourself, in spite of the evidence of the actual post, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #86

OK. trotsky Sep 2018 #87

You are amazing. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #89

Your analysis is superficial and incomplete marylandblue Sep 2018 #142

My analysis, like every post at DU, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #148

Between hundreds of pages and a single cause -canon law marylandblue Sep 2018 #170

TL;DR Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #85

I'll give you the TL;DR summary: trotsky Sep 2018 #88

This might help you understand this post: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #123

You are denying (or simply ignoring) the vast scale of this conspiracy marylandblue Sep 2018 #127

This post, my own, refutes what you wrote. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #130

An example of you denying or ignoring the scale is here marylandblue Sep 2018 #141

You know, he quoted that to me the other day Lordquinton Sep 2018 #144

If it is 7%, what of the other 93% guillaumeb Sep 2018 #147

Before I answer that, first you have to admit that marylandblue Sep 2018 #158

There are many cources, and all of them are estimates. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #162

The estimates matter, as does the source marylandblue Sep 2018 #165

And my final question, of culpability. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #166

you don't admit the truth, you don't get an answer marylandblue Sep 2018 #167

What truth? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #168

That you chose the lowest, most biased available estimate marylandblue Sep 2018 #169

Yep, that's the definition. Thanks for confirming it's what you do. trotsky Sep 2018 #129

You see what you wish to see. Or need to see. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #131

A non-response. trotsky Sep 2018 #134

My feeling is that you are a non-literalist. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #135

HAHAHAHA trotsky Sep 2018 #137

My observation was not intended as an insult. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #149

Do you believe anything that is written in the Bible? MineralMan Sep 2018 #152

Yes, I believe in the message of Jesus. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #154

Jesus is supposed to have said many things. Which part of his "message" MineralMan Sep 2018 #156

Guill's Concise Summary of Belief would in fact be a useful marylandblue Sep 2018 #159

I've often asked Gil to provide a glossary Mariana Sep 2018 #179

I don't think he has any real religious beliefs marylandblue Sep 2018 #180

Then you are a literalist. trotsky Sep 2018 #175

Wait...weren't you just calling us "literalists" the other week? MineralMan Sep 2018 #138

It must be very hard to keep all of this straight, MineralMan. Mariana Sep 2018 #139

I'm thinking I might need index cards MineralMan Sep 2018 #140

Many of the atheists here insist on a literal interpretation of the Bible. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #150

Actually, we don't take any of the Bible literally. MineralMan Sep 2018 #151

I have been asked to list exactly which verses I take literally. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #153

That is not what I asked you. MineralMan Sep 2018 #155

It's not nonsense at all. In fact you are the only Christian I know marylandblue Sep 2018 #160

And I have responded to specifics, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #163

No, you often haven't, but that's off topic marylandblue Sep 2018 #164

"Many of the atheists here insist on a literal interpretation of the Bible." trotsky Sep 2018 #178

The only thing gil is consistent about... trotsky Sep 2018 #176

Wait, what? Lordquinton Sep 2018 #145

You stated: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #133

You are once again completely mistaken and imagining persecution where it doesn't exist. trotsky Sep 2018 #136

Your further conclusion that I am deflecting is proven false by my post. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #146

Yes, you have convinced yourself MineralMan Sep 2018 #157

2 weak attempts might make harmony, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #161

I yield to your superior argument consisting of "no u." trotsky Sep 2018 #174