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Dunnjen

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27. I'm just gonna tell you all that it's not what you think

Thu Sep 20, 2018, 06:27 PM

Sep 2018

Or so simple. I've been a liberal for decades alongside conservatives in bible study. There is a short circuit somewhere when it comes to jesus described in the gospels and the applucation in our culture. The punitive pro Israel agenda that rises above other threads in the OT takes hold thru repetition and the story of global grace is minimized. If anyone saw the Charles Manson documentary recently, then you are appalled by the vulnerability of his followers to be completely persuaded. It's mind boggling. When I read the book of revelation alongside the evangelicals a couple years ago, thousands of them, I was also appalled that they couldn't see the danger of political powers joined with religion and the lawless braggart that arose in our own nation. They heard Franklin Graham approve and followed suit.

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Interesting charts from LifeWay Research [View all] MineralMan Sep 2018 OP

Wonder what their data set was. edhopper Sep 2018 #1

I'm not sure. Guillaumeb used that as a source, MineralMan Sep 2018 #2

I don't doubt the results edhopper Sep 2018 #4

Yes. If it's a sample of all protestants, it's surprising to me to see that much literalism. MineralMan Sep 2018 #9

Its the majority of edhopper Sep 2018 #10

Well, there is that, of course. MineralMan Sep 2018 #11

Which Protestants did they survey? The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #3

Probably not Methodists either unc70 Sep 2018 #5

I don't know what Methodists are like now The Genealogist Sep 2018 #12

There was no data there on that. MineralMan Sep 2018 #6

found this from pew edhopper Sep 2018 #7

What about Episcopalians? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #16

That's true, and it might explain the breakdown of the chart. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #17

According to a comprehensive survey by Pew... trotsky Sep 2018 #20

Selection bias Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #21

Hard to sort out zipplewrath Sep 2018 #29

Please take a closer look at the OP. trotsky Sep 2018 #32

It's not an objection zipplewrath Sep 2018 #33

No of course they don't "strictly align." trotsky Sep 2018 #34

Barely zipplewrath Sep 2018 #35

But mainline represent **half** the number of Protestants that Evangelicals do. trotsky Sep 2018 #37

Think Ya got that backwards zipplewrath Sep 2018 #38

Nope, and you don't even need to try and confuse things by mentioning the RCC. trotsky Sep 2018 #39

Exactly zipplewrath Sep 2018 #40

"Roughly half of the mainline would have to hold conservative points of view" trotsky Sep 2018 #41

Freaking lifeway... Docreed2003 Sep 2018 #8

In keeping with your own practice, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #13

I'm skeptical. TomSlick Sep 2018 #14

That's interesting, and may explain how they sample people in their surveys. MineralMan Sep 2018 #15

My comment was only that pie chart says, "sin must be punished." TomSlick Sep 2018 #18

Ordinary logic has little to do with religious beliefs. MineralMan Sep 2018 #19

The only person I have heard express that opinion was Delmar in Oh Brother Where Art Thou. TomSlick Sep 2018 #22

Most transgressions against individuals MineralMan Sep 2018 #23

True. TomSlick Sep 2018 #24

I know many Christians who believe "sin must be punished" marylandblue Sep 2018 #25

You are describing the idea of substitutionary atonement. TomSlick Sep 2018 #31

The bottom right chart Turbineguy Sep 2018 #26

Yes. A literal interpretation of the Bible MineralMan Sep 2018 #28

I'm just gonna tell you all that it's not what you think Dunnjen Sep 2018 #27

I think conservative religion attracts authoritarian personalities marylandblue Sep 2018 #30

It's the weakness of democracy zipplewrath Sep 2018 #36

People need to remember Lordquinton Sep 2018 #42