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zipplewrath

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29. Hard to sort out
Thu Sep 20, 2018, 07:17 PM
Sep 2018

The chart says "protestants" which obviously excludes Catholics. Which means of course that 20% of the Christian population is excluded. At that point, "evangelical" Christians are going to make up something like 50% of the stated surveyed population. ALL of them are going to hold that point of view. So roughly half of the balance of the rest of the population is going to hold the general positions represented. Now, the questions were a bit broad, so you're going to tend to get fairly rigid responses without alot of nuance to them. For example, I know evangelicals that "believe" the bible is literal, but also acknowledge the rational difficulty in holding that position. What is important to understand is that if for some reason they found out that some critical portion wasn't literally true, it wouldn't really affect their overall faith in Jesus or basic doctrine.

And this is politically important. Their faith in certain concepts isn't nearly as strongly connected to their theological underpinnings, as it is to their world view. Their theology is generated BY their world view. Their objection to abortion and birth control isn't really founded upon scripture or even the long term history of Christian faith. It is a relatively "modern" concept which is founded in the maintenance of cultural norms surrounding sex and social structure. It BECAME a theological foundation after the fact. Look at how people used theology to justify Jim Crow or slavery. Ultimately they walked away from all that, but their underlying beliefs and theology didn't change. Alternately, despite specific scripture discussing the charging of interest on loans, and on the dangers of wealth itself, not to mention throwing the "money changers" out of the temple, they have no problem with ideologies like "prosperity theology".

Anti-abortion views are vastly less based upon theology as they are on some romantic view of babies. People of virtually no particular faith oppose abortion. Those of faith are just more "dedicated" to their views because they have convinced themselves that they are advancing "gods will". If you read the popes letter on abortion, it isn't particularly based upon scripture. And it also discusses things like capital punishment. None the less, vast numbers of people will reference it, ignorant of its total content or its underpinnings.

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Wonder what their data set was. edhopper Sep 2018 #1
I'm not sure. Guillaumeb used that as a source, MineralMan Sep 2018 #2
I don't doubt the results edhopper Sep 2018 #4
Yes. If it's a sample of all protestants, it's surprising to me to see that much literalism. MineralMan Sep 2018 #9
Its the majority of edhopper Sep 2018 #10
Well, there is that, of course. MineralMan Sep 2018 #11
Which Protestants did they survey? The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #3
Probably not Methodists either unc70 Sep 2018 #5
I don't know what Methodists are like now The Genealogist Sep 2018 #12
There was no data there on that. MineralMan Sep 2018 #6
found this from pew edhopper Sep 2018 #7
What about Episcopalians? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #16
That's true, and it might explain the breakdown of the chart. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #17
According to a comprehensive survey by Pew... trotsky Sep 2018 #20
Selection bias Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #21
Hard to sort out zipplewrath Sep 2018 #29
Please take a closer look at the OP. trotsky Sep 2018 #32
It's not an objection zipplewrath Sep 2018 #33
No of course they don't "strictly align." trotsky Sep 2018 #34
Barely zipplewrath Sep 2018 #35
But mainline represent **half** the number of Protestants that Evangelicals do. trotsky Sep 2018 #37
Think Ya got that backwards zipplewrath Sep 2018 #38
Nope, and you don't even need to try and confuse things by mentioning the RCC. trotsky Sep 2018 #39
Exactly zipplewrath Sep 2018 #40
"Roughly half of the mainline would have to hold conservative points of view" trotsky Sep 2018 #41
Freaking lifeway... Docreed2003 Sep 2018 #8
In keeping with your own practice, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #13
I'm skeptical. TomSlick Sep 2018 #14
That's interesting, and may explain how they sample people in their surveys. MineralMan Sep 2018 #15
My comment was only that pie chart says, "sin must be punished." TomSlick Sep 2018 #18
Ordinary logic has little to do with religious beliefs. MineralMan Sep 2018 #19
The only person I have heard express that opinion was Delmar in Oh Brother Where Art Thou. TomSlick Sep 2018 #22
Most transgressions against individuals MineralMan Sep 2018 #23
True. TomSlick Sep 2018 #24
I know many Christians who believe "sin must be punished" marylandblue Sep 2018 #25
You are describing the idea of substitutionary atonement. TomSlick Sep 2018 #31
The bottom right chart Turbineguy Sep 2018 #26
Yes. A literal interpretation of the Bible MineralMan Sep 2018 #28
I'm just gonna tell you all that it's not what you think Dunnjen Sep 2018 #27
I think conservative religion attracts authoritarian personalities marylandblue Sep 2018 #30
It's the weakness of democracy zipplewrath Sep 2018 #36
People need to remember Lordquinton Sep 2018 #42
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