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In reply to the discussion: Do zombies have free will? [View all]

Jim__

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20. To be clear, you've changed your question.
Tue Nov 13, 2018, 02:51 PM
Nov 2018

The question, as stated in post #17 was:

So when you decide to sleep on it before making a big decision, that unconscious decision making process is not an act of free will?


Your new question is:

are unconscious decisions that our conscious processes learn about after they have been made, acts of free will?


You may not realize it, but the question is ambiguous. So, I'll give a two-part answer.

First, certain decision can be made unconsciously, without any conscious input. For instance, stepping into the street and glimpsing a nearby car speeding directly at you. In that case, we can decide to jump out of the way without any conscious processing. Such a decision is not an act of free will.

On the other hand, some decisions may be contemplated consciously, calling various arguments to mind and weighing them against each other. For instance, I get my paycheck, I am going to go to dinner with some friends later in the week, and I have to decide how much money to put in the bank and how much cash to keep on hand. I consciously consider my financial situation and the likely cost of the dinner. The actual decision is made via unconscious neuronal processing based on input from conscious processes. You might say that the unconscious made that decision; but, in this case, given that it's based on input from conscious processes, I would call that an act of free will.

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Do zombies have free will? [View all] Voltaire2 Nov 2018 OP
Eh? Since there are no zombies, what's the point of inventing them just to prove a point? The... TreasonousBastard Nov 2018 #1
What point do you think it is proving? Doodley Nov 2018 #3
The point that discussion about zombie free will is worthwhile... TreasonousBastard Nov 2018 #4
Are you saying robots can have free will? Doodley Nov 2018 #6
I'm saying the discussion about robots and free will makes more sense than zombies... TreasonousBastard Nov 2018 #10
Here are real zombies that appear to have free will marylandblue Nov 2018 #12
Probably, yes, but it does depend on what you mean by "conscious" marylandblue Nov 2018 #2
Are you saying pain, hunger, pleasure, etc., are essential for free will? Why would that be? Doodley Nov 2018 #7
I am saying they are inputs into the decision-making process marylandblue Nov 2018 #11
No. Consciousness is necessary for self-awareness and self-awareness is necessary for free will. Jim__ Nov 2018 #5
So when you decide to sleep on it Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #17
I'm not sure what you mean by "*that* unconscious decision making process." Jim__ Nov 2018 #18
Processing information while we sleep Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #19
To be clear, you've changed your question. Jim__ Nov 2018 #20
Have you ever seen a definition of 'free will' that wasn't either self-referential or circular? htuttle Nov 2018 #8
And yet people intuitively believe they have free will. Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #16
The probably mean they have a decision process that is at least partly conscious marylandblue Nov 2018 #21
Do Trumpanzees have free will? RainCaster Nov 2018 #9
You said what I came to say. Lucky Luciano Nov 2018 #14
Do any fictional characters have free will? PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2018 #13
They do if the author says they do. marylandblue Nov 2018 #22
I've seen them at Starbucks.. Permanut Nov 2018 #15
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