Religion

MineralMan

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41. Yes. I linked to an article about that upthread.

Wed Nov 28, 2018, 10:51 AM

Nov 2018

Tying populism to a religion is a common thing, but it almost never turns out well. Given the exclusive nature of religions in general, it sets up an "us vs. them" issue every time.

Here, Donald Trump is a great example. He tied his clearly populist political campaign to the conservative fundamentalist Christian bloc. We can see how well that turned out.

Our OP has a blind spot regarding religion. He cannot, or will not, see the evil that is done by religious groups. Religion, for him, is always benevolent and kindly or something.

Populism almost always has a scapegoat group it targets. That group is held up to be the cause of all ills. Religions are quick to identify "others" as the problem as well. The combination is toxic all but members of the "in" group.

A pox on religious populism.

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What progressives need to defeat Trump: populism and religion [View all] guillaumeb Nov 2018 OP

Religion is antiquated and quaint. Not a winning thing. NOT Progressive. bitterross Nov 2018 #1

"There is no such thing as progressive religion." marylandblue Nov 2018 #2

The terms are mutually exclusive. bitterross Nov 2018 #3

Why not? marylandblue Nov 2018 #8

Yes it matters. bitterross Nov 2018 #21

"belief in supernatural beings" and "belief in mythological beings?" marylandblue Nov 2018 #22

I would have to disagree. I believe in many ancient mythologies. gtar100 Nov 2018 #17

It seems you support the principles and teachings. Not the mythology. bitterross Nov 2018 #19

What?! qazplm135 Nov 2018 #49

I said that "progressive religion" is not possible bitterross Nov 2018 #50

buddhism? qazplm135 Nov 2018 #52

Buddhism is not a religion bitterross Nov 2018 #54

Izzit possible for me to claim being a Christologically theistic sprinkleeninow Nov 2018 #12

Sure, just build an open air church and pray to the Father, Son and Holy Nothing marylandblue Nov 2018 #14

You may claim to be whatever you like. bitterross Nov 2018 #20

Your title is the answer to your text. marylandblue Nov 2018 #23

Trump Claims to be a stable genius. bitterross Nov 2018 #27

Relevant and possible are two different things. marylandblue Nov 2018 #32

Progressive religion is an oxymoron Major Nikon Nov 2018 #24

"religion worth discussing" marylandblue Nov 2018 #33

"actual religions" Major Nikon Nov 2018 #37

I consider a religion to.be a set of beliefs and/or practices marylandblue Nov 2018 #46

All of the things you mention have barriers to progressivism Major Nikon Nov 2018 #48

see, this is why I like Facebook Brainstormy Nov 2018 #51

Religion's contribution would be about motivation, not necessarily solutions marylandblue Nov 2018 #59

You could say the same about anarchists Major Nikon Nov 2018 #60

Anarchists have very different political goals so they are uncertain allies at best marylandblue Nov 2018 #61

I suppose it depends on what goals you mean Major Nikon Nov 2018 #62

Alliances are always situational and temporary marylandblue Nov 2018 #65

The GOP started allying with the religionists back in the 60's Major Nikon Nov 2018 #66

I don't see old right wing evangelicals joining the Democrats marylandblue Nov 2018 #69

It wasn't that long ago they WERE democrats Major Nikon Nov 2018 #70

That's about as far as I got into that article. tbh. violetpastille Nov 2018 #4

There is such a thing as progressive populism marylandblue Nov 2018 #9

What is an example? violetpastille Nov 2018 #10

Grassroots movements. The Women's March. marylandblue Nov 2018 #11

Well.. violetpastille Nov 2018 #16

The organization of the Women's March has come under a lot of fire MineralMan Nov 2018 #31

If a movement doesn't develop strong leaders, it go off the rails marylandblue Nov 2018 #34

As a spontaneous protest, it did a great job. MineralMan Nov 2018 #35

Maybe I should say "strong and ethical" leadership marylandblue Nov 2018 #36

I don't follow the women's movement closely, but MineralMan Nov 2018 #38

Much of the trouble stems from connections to the Nation of Islam Act_of_Reparation Nov 2018 #40

Yes. I linked to an article about that upthread. MineralMan Nov 2018 #41

A blind spot, indeed. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2018 #42

Oil and water do not mix. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2018 #5

Uhhh... no. Add racism and sexism, and you can just call yourself a trumper. Squinch Nov 2018 #6

So all theists are Trump voters? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #55

Well, I never said anything of the sort, but if you must set Squinch Nov 2018 #58

Its amazing how fast those two things Eko Nov 2018 #7

The "nones" are now the largest voting bloc when it comes to religious groups. trotsky Nov 2018 #13

Why do you want to alienate progressive theists? guillaumeb Nov 2018 #56

You keep setting up these ridiculous straw men. Do religious people get points for manufactured Squinch Nov 2018 #63

They get awesome Internet points, I guess. trotsky Nov 2018 #68

Read trotskys comment. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #73

Now you're not even trying to make sense. Squinch Nov 2018 #74

Such a weak attempt at reframing. trotsky Nov 2018 #67

So progressive theists are going to jump ship if we don't sufficiently kiss their asses? Act_of_Reparation Nov 2018 #71

I want my secular republic back. Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #15

Amen Adsos Letter Nov 2018 #18

Yeah, just what we need Major Nikon Nov 2018 #25

Yes please. trotsky Nov 2018 #28

Religious populism is the cure to religious populism? Act_of_Reparation Nov 2018 #26

The fervor of a fanatic. trotsky Nov 2018 #30

All we need to keep us safe from the gun nuts are more gun nuts Major Nikon Nov 2018 #43

"Gott mit Uns" MineralMan Nov 2018 #29

The most successful populist in recent history was Adolf Hitler. MineralMan Nov 2018 #39

Populism is just a polite word for demagoguery Major Nikon Nov 2018 #44

Exactly. MineralMan Nov 2018 #45

Here you go, g-man. Someone who shares your concerns about the left lacking religion. trotsky Nov 2018 #47

you cant be religious and call yourself progressive AlexSFCA Nov 2018 #53

Many theists disagree with you. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #57

What is your problem with the Chinese? Act_of_Reparation Nov 2018 #64

Apart from the concentration camps, and the severely repressive guillaumeb Nov 2018 #72

So the Chinese people build concentration camps and are generally repressive? Act_of_Reparation Nov 2018 #75

Do yuo distinguish between the Chinese Government and guillaumeb Nov 2018 #77

Do you? Act_of_Reparation Nov 2018 #78

If the believers don't believe . . . OneBro Nov 2018 #76