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Major Nikon

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19. It helps to understand hidden meanings

Mon Dec 3, 2018, 07:00 PM

Dec 2018

What's happening here is Gil is dragging his argument that the flood mentioned in Genesis should not be viewed as a literal event and is instead a metaphor for something else which he can't quite manage to define but it has something to do with sin and taking a bath, but definitely not genocide. If anyone rejects this half-baked notion, they are referred to as ignorant of history, a biblical literalist, a definer, and a fundamentalist.

So as proof of his non-literalist concept he is dragging out references ad nauseum that all point to the flood as a literal event. If this sounds crazy to you, don't feel as if you're the only one.

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What Does Water Represent In The Bible? A Christian Study [View all] guillaumeb Dec 2018 OP

Life a cleansing of sin TEB Dec 2018 #1

And renewal. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #3

I agree TEB Dec 2018 #15

We all know True Dough Dec 2018 #2

Not much of a solo by the drummer. eom guillaumeb Dec 2018 #5

Give it up Gil Cartoonist Dec 2018 #4

Thus speaks the official definer guillaumeb Dec 2018 #6

You rockin' it with this one, the OP. Spiritually, that is. Beautiful. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #8

Thank you. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #10

So do you think the flood was a literal event or not? Major Nikon Dec 2018 #17

A world wide event? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #43

You didn't answer the question Major Nikon Dec 2018 #57

But I did. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #58

You didn't answer the question Major Nikon Dec 2018 #61

Flooding occurs everywhere. Even in that area of the world. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #62

This raises more questions than it answers marylandblue Dec 2018 #65

The poster asked one question. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #66

Still waiting on that answer Major Nikon Dec 2018 #68

That is puzzling, given that I answered earlier. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #69

You answered your own question, not mine Major Nikon Dec 2018 #76

What are you saying? Lordquinton Dec 2018 #108

Again supplying more evidence that I was correct Lordquinton Dec 2018 #109

"There are floods" is not an answer marylandblue Dec 2018 #71

Did you read #62? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #73

Yes, but also posted this. marylandblue Dec 2018 #75

There were no doubt floods in that area. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #78

There is a lot of proof that it was to be taken literally marylandblue Dec 2018 #80

That is beside the point, guillaumeb Dec 2018 #81

Well, let me guess, we can't know the author's intent marylandblue Dec 2018 #82

A weak analogy. eom guillaumeb Dec 2018 #121

It's not my position, it's my guess at what you might say marylandblue Dec 2018 #124

I read post 62 and reread the story of Noah marylandblue Dec 2018 #83

Sounds like the Monty Python parrot sketch. MineralMan Dec 2018 #72

lol marylandblue Dec 2018 #110

It gets even better Major Nikon Dec 2018 #74

As fully predicted, you didn't answer the question Major Nikon Dec 2018 #67

See #62 and #69 guillaumeb Dec 2018 #70

See #76 Major Nikon Dec 2018 #77

Have fun. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #79

There may have been a 'literal' flood literally, but the interpretation may be that it should be sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #46

This. 😉 sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #22

I don't have one second of training at religious schools. pangaia Dec 2018 #151

I do not doubt that. eom guillaumeb Dec 2018 #166

Do you view the flood in Genesis as a literal event? Major Nikon Dec 2018 #13

I'll get back to you, I will. With a reasoned answer and not one from my exegesis. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #23

The question you ask is loaded Major Nikon Dec 2018 #25

I bet you're wishing you had read your own links more closely Major Nikon Dec 2018 #14

Hello definer. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #48

Hello name caller Major Nikon Dec 2018 #54

I am describing your actions. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #56

Bullshit Major Nikon Dec 2018 #59

No, I interpreted your remarks literally. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #60

Bullshit Major Nikon Dec 2018 #63

So you did not read this: guillaumeb Dec 2018 #64

You just reposted the same thing, with same problems, but marylandblue Dec 2018 #84

You mean the one that contradicted your previous assertion? Major Nikon Dec 2018 #97

Knowledge depends on definitions. MineralMan Dec 2018 #112

You have defined yourself. MineralMan Dec 2018 #111

Gil has posted no less than 4 links as a proof of concept for his "metaphor" Major Nikon Dec 2018 #16

Ground Control to... sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #47

Same thing it means in pretty much all of literature. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2018 #119

More: guillaumeb Dec 2018 #7

👍 sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #24

Water in the Bhagavad Gita 7:8 sanatanadharma Dec 2018 #9

Thank you for the contribution. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #11

Your links don't say what you think they say Major Nikon Dec 2018 #12

That gif describes literally all his posts Lordquinton Dec 2018 #27

Wait a minute. trotsky Dec 2018 #34

He posted two other links in that one Major Nikon Dec 2018 #36

Hello co-definer. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #49

What the ever loving fuck is this new shtick if yours? Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #85

He's proven he can't actually reason or argue in defense of his beliefs. trotsky Dec 2018 #114

This may be about the numerous personal messages Gil receives Mariana Dec 2018 #115

It's cute how you've embraced your new tool to try and silence people who disagree with you. trotsky Dec 2018 #113

How clever. eom guillaumeb Dec 2018 #123

If only you stayed with your gif(t)s. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #44

I'll take your non-response as tacit admission of self-contradiction Major Nikon Dec 2018 #50

Misreading of text seems to be your own forte. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #51

You stole my line! Major Nikon Dec 2018 #53

"Hurl pejoratives"? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #55

"Your argument is bullshit" is not name calling or a Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #86

No, the tactic is to claim that only one acceptable definition exists. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #122

Nobody claimed there is only one definition marylandblue Dec 2018 #126

Bullshit Major Nikon Dec 2018 #149

NOW I see where the name calling thingy came in according to sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #88

Certainly more silly than most Major Nikon Dec 2018 #90

I am fond of this brother and will make no apologies. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #92

One of many used Major Nikon Dec 2018 #94

Acceptable names used against me. You may proceed. 🙂 sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #96

Looks like a non-answer Major Nikon Dec 2018 #98

You put me in a tizzz.... sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #101

Call me some acceptable names. 🤗 sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #102

Liberal. Democrat. Major Nikon Dec 2018 #104

Heheh. I'll take 'em. 😤 sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #106

Here's yours: Liberal, Democrat, A sister or brother in humanity, a side-kick traveler sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #107

You posted a source that proves it's bullshit Major Nikon Dec 2018 #100

I love seeing how water is a bringer of life to the Earth. gtar100 Dec 2018 #18

It helps to understand hidden meanings Major Nikon Dec 2018 #19

It wasn't Genocide, as related in the mythical story... NeoGreen Dec 2018 #33

There are some Christians who believe in the inerrant word of the bible Major Nikon Dec 2018 #37

Aw man, how in tarnation did I miss this one? 🤔 sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #150

You are working too hard to be offended Major Nikon Dec 2018 #153

You were easily offended by mild characterizations as being a definer, sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #154

You have deluded yourself into believing that Major Nikon Dec 2018 #155

I stand corrected. I AM delusional, but not in the way you have defined me. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #157

I'm just a soul.... sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #158

Then you should act that way Major Nikon Dec 2018 #161

Sir/ma'am!, yes sir/ma'am! sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #162

There's nothing reasonable about purposely taking words out of context Major Nikon Dec 2018 #159

I'll cowboy up from here out! Fair enuff. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #160

The OP's religious postulates do seem to follow a predictable course tymorial Dec 2018 #176

Cleansing through massive genocide? MineralMan Dec 2018 #20

Well you defined this thread as a Christian Study, so sure, whatever, knock yourself out. marylandblue Dec 2018 #21

Looks more like a sermon than a study Major Nikon Dec 2018 #26

So says the official definer of the Bible? Lordquinton Dec 2018 #28

Double down on a stupid bet Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #29

If gil is anything, it's predictable. trotsky Dec 2018 #31

Those are simply opinions. trotsky Dec 2018 #30

Was this before or after they stole the story from Gilgamesh? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #32

Much if not most biblical stories were plagiarized from other mythologies Major Nikon Dec 2018 #38

On the topic of intellectual bankruptcy... Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #116

Definers! Major Nikon Dec 2018 #117

From your first link: MineralMan Dec 2018 #35

Obviously you just don't understand and are a definer Major Nikon Dec 2018 #39

So be it, then. MineralMan Dec 2018 #40

It does demonstrate the hazards of parroting out sermons Major Nikon Dec 2018 #41

Well, it's possible to find support from established theologians MineralMan Dec 2018 #42

Ground Control to The Major dot dot dot sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #45

Depends on what qualifies as an answer Major Nikon Dec 2018 #52

Name calling? That evades me. I don't recall name calling. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #87

Here's a few from just recently Major Nikon Dec 2018 #89

What's this 'lacking religious privilege'. I don't understand. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #91

Understandably so Major Nikon Dec 2018 #95

It's not a frackin' PRIVILEGE. It's something that was presented to me at forty days sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #99

Lots of people who have privilege can't see themselves without it Major Nikon Dec 2018 #103

You soitenly have a knack. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #105

Well that's a better explanation than anything Gil wrote or linked to marylandblue Dec 2018 #125

I got lost in the shuffle. 🤕 sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #133

Yes we're good. The emos don't bother me. marylandblue Dec 2018 #144

Somebody gets a tad bummed out. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #146

More: Eastern Orthodox-'Meaning or Meanings of Scripture' sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #156

You have a privilege. Being allowed to speak to me. 😝 JK!!1 sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #134

Hold the wire. I gotta be alert for the a.m. Lawn people are coming to dig a hole. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #93

Either none of that counts as namecalling Mariana Dec 2018 #118

Giving a pass to shitty behavior is part of the privilege Major Nikon Dec 2018 #120

What an interesting response. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #127

You reveal more of the same behavior Major Nikon Dec 2018 #128

tu quoque fallacy in evidence. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #129

Bullshit Major Nikon Dec 2018 #130

Latin should be banned from the English language marylandblue Dec 2018 #131

ita verro. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #137

Just Latin marylandblue Dec 2018 #141

I think that I might detect a bit of humor here. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #142

Yes, it's humorous, and stems from my love-hate relationship with Latin marylandblue Dec 2018 #143

I loved it. Considered teaching it while it was still fashionable. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #147

Is there a name for this Latin-ophobia? eom guillaumeb Dec 2018 #164

Latinikaphobia, a term that has the advantage of being entirely in Greek marylandblue Dec 2018 #178

You caught the use if the Greek word. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #180

You not lumpin' me in with those things, are ye? sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #135

Wellllllllllllllllllll guillaumeb Dec 2018 #138

Howsabout when the Major gets a pass? 😚 sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #136

Ooooh my!!! guillaumeb Dec 2018 #139

It's New Atheism, which takes a dim view of religion marylandblue Dec 2018 #171

The label of being afflicted with delusion regarding 'religion', all things God and Scripture, annnd sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #173

Oh, THAT name calling. Why would the term 'definer' burn so? sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #132

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! guillaumeb Dec 2018 #140

Definer is mild for Simonopetra's sake. Gees louise. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #148

From context, Gil appears to be using it as a pejorative marylandblue Dec 2018 #145

We all define our own views. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #165

Let me fix that for you "We all define our views" marylandblue Dec 2018 #172

Did Jesus literally dance with his diciples at the Last Supper? pangaia Dec 2018 #152

Damn right, he did. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #163

I was not there. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #167

Well you were not there for the ressurection either. pangaia Dec 2018 #168

True. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #169

I read the Lord of the Rings, but it never happened. pangaia Dec 2018 #170

Are you certain? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #174

Are you not? marylandblue Dec 2018 #175

"Water ... was used to literally cleanse the earth away from all that was evil and unholy" muriel_volestrangler Dec 2018 #177

"Here is a book written by arid-desert dwellers! What could water possibly have meant to them? struggle4progress Dec 2018 #179

And Hell was seena s a place of fire. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #181

Some say the world will end in fire struggle4progress Dec 2018 #182

A fitting ending for this subthread. eom guillaumeb Dec 2018 #183