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marylandblue

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75. The article was clearly talking about more than that

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 10:54 AM

Feb 2019

Last edited Wed Feb 20, 2019, 12:18 PM - Edit history (2)

It's not that Spenser joined a Christian movement. It's that he created the alt-right as a secular alternative to Christian-based white nationalism. The alt-right is working because it is picking up disaffected young white males who are either atheists or loosely connected to religion. He links to article discussing that in more detail.

He also complains about prominent members of the New Atheist movement picking up misogynistic, racist and Islamophobic right wing tropes. He blames the decline of New Atheism on this problem.

And lastly, he complains about atheists organizations who don't condemn misogynistic and racist rhetoric from other atheists.

Whether you agree or disagree with him, he is definitely talking about more than one person and IMHO provided a lot of interesting links about the issues he discusses.

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Progressive Christian Writer: The "White American Church" Is Destroying America [View all] NeoGreen Feb 2019 OP

K&R 2naSalit Feb 2019 #1

The people with the power and influence to ruin America are the ones ruining America? Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #2

But Boston Atheists kicked a Trump supporter out of their group! trotsky Feb 2019 #3

Don't lump me, myself and I in with this American 'christianity'. sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #4

"White nationalism" is the issue. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #5

White supremacy has deep christian roots Lordquinton Feb 2019 #6

Is there any other kind? NeoGreen Feb 2019 #7

There are a few neo-pagan white nationalists marylandblue Feb 2019 #8

Interesting that you would say this: guillaumeb Feb 2019 #10

"Too Many Atheists Are Veering Dangerously Toward the Alt-Right" Lordquinton Feb 2019 #13

What you mean is: guillaumeb Feb 2019 #15

No, it means that the claim is not supported with facts. MineralMan Feb 2019 #16

Again, slightly reworded, guillaumeb Feb 2019 #17

Why would it surprise you that more than one person asked you MineralMan Feb 2019 #18

Do you understand that the original post is based on a blog post? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #19

Do you not understand that I mentioned that very fact in MineralMan Feb 2019 #20

No, you actually did not. Here is your first post: guillaumeb Feb 2019 #21

I mean what I said Lordquinton Feb 2019 #23

There is the literal meaning of the words, guillaumeb Feb 2019 #30

Until it is all dismissed as metaphor. (nt) NeoGreen Feb 2019 #31

Metaphor is a non-literal reading. eom guillaumeb Feb 2019 #32

Yep, so that the text dosen't mean what is actually written... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #45

The first statement is clearly metaphorical. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #47

Cool story bro. (nt) NeoGreen Feb 2019 #50

Weak dismissal. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #51

Sure, let's go with that and call it a day. (nt) NeoGreen Feb 2019 #52

You are not qualified to speak about anyone's motivation and meaning MineralMan Feb 2019 #33

And do you feel qualified? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #35

My comments are my opinions. MineralMan Feb 2019 #39

What does that mean? Lordquinton Feb 2019 #36

What did you not understand? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #38

So what are you saying? Lordquinton Feb 2019 #40

How many atheists turning right would be the optimum amount? marylandblue Feb 2019 #68

The same amount as Christians turning right. Lordquinton Feb 2019 #72

Well, I would pin that number as zero. marylandblue Feb 2019 #73

One atheist joined a Christian movement Lordquinton Feb 2019 #74

The article was clearly talking about more than that marylandblue Feb 2019 #75

Atheism is a non-belief in one thing. To lump all atheists rurallib Feb 2019 #56

I do not put atheists or theists in one simple category. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #58

Nazi said what? Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #63

Are white supremacist attitudes limited to Christians? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #9

Yes, it is a Christian based system Lordquinton Feb 2019 #12

It takes a special kind of Cogniative Dissonance to argue against... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #14

We're also running into another classic deflection Lordquinton Feb 2019 #22

I do get somewhat annoyed when... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #26

I think it's much simpler than constantly being offended Lordquinton Feb 2019 #34

Apply #33 to your remarks. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #37

White supremacy is a Christian based system Lordquinton Feb 2019 #41

White supremacy in a majority white, majority Christian country, guillaumeb Feb 2019 #42

Clearly you are ignorant on the subject Lordquinton Feb 2019 #54

Clearly........something. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #57

And instead of honestly engaging in the discussion you again just try to reframe Lordquinton Feb 2019 #67

Please do not refer to my posts in chiding another poster. MineralMan Feb 2019 #43

More insult and condescension. As expected. Why do you feel this need to insult others? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #44

Please stop. MineralMan Feb 2019 #46

And the constant insults? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #48

Any DUer can reply to whatever posts he or she pleases. MineralMan Feb 2019 #49

Poor, poor persecuted Gil. Mariana Feb 2019 #69

Copying "t". guillaumeb Feb 2019 #71

You do no one any favors by trying to rewrite history and ignore reality. trotsky Feb 2019 #24

Yep, I thought so... NeoGreen Feb 2019 #25

Absolutely. trotsky Feb 2019 #29

But wait, there's this one atheist who is a racist. MineralMan Feb 2019 #59

Don't forget Boston Atheists kicking out the obnoxious Trump supporter! trotsky Feb 2019 #60

But, wait...DU does that, too... MineralMan Feb 2019 #64

It's only intolerant when atheists do it. trotsky Feb 2019 #65

Damn! I always forget that... MineralMan Feb 2019 #66

Lulzd Voltaire2 Feb 2019 #62

yes, when I was a kid, what went on in churches stayed in churches. demigoddess Feb 2019 #11

Recent Ch et istian theocratic ruling by SCOTUS is proof Panich52 Feb 2019 #27

I really believe that parts of the country would be a Theocracy if possible. walkingman Feb 2019 #28

A Dictatorial Theocracy atreides1 Feb 2019 #53

The whole country would be a theocracy in short order if they could arrange it rurallib Feb 2019 #55

Parts of the country *are* a theocracy. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #61

Of course they would. Mariana Feb 2019 #70