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36. There is no type of science that begins or concludes with "humans act like humans"

Fri Mar 1, 2019, 07:21 PM

Mar 2019

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So lets just dispense with that whole fiction now. As far as I know, such a science doesn't exist. If you think there is one, please provide a reference to a book or journal article that either explicitly makes that assumption, or performs a study to prove that it is true.

You think some people here are surprised that humans act like humans. I think that is unlikely. I've never met a person surprised by that fact, and I imagine that if you took survey, 100% of participants would agree that humans act like human. I do know a lot people who find tautological arguments either frustrating or boring. I am one of those people, so I assume tautologies should be avoided.

Should we expect theists to act better than non-theists? Good question. Many theists think they do. That has a lot of implications.

Many atheists think theist act worse than other humans. That has a lot of implications too.

But we can never get to any of those implications, if both our starting point and ending point is "humans act like humans." Do you see why this is so, or do I need to explain it to you?

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Is intolerance a human characteristic? [View all] guillaumeb Feb 2019 OP

Yes, it is. But not really one of our better ones. TreasonousBastard Feb 2019 #1

Agreed. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #3

The root of... Snackshack Mar 2019 #81

Well said. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #82

Is this thread about intolerance of theists or atheists? marylandblue Feb 2019 #2

It is dealing with both groups. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #4

Now I am really confused. marylandblue Feb 2019 #6

Humans are not "just" humans. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #7

I don't believe I have ever read any study or book on human behavior marylandblue Feb 2019 #15

I mentioned it because some here appear to be shocked guillaumeb Feb 2019 #17

I doubt they are shocked, they seem more frustrated. marylandblue Feb 2019 #19

The religion group deals with humans. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #34

There is no type of science that begins or concludes with "humans act like humans" marylandblue Mar 2019 #36

Channeling the "group speak" with the ending sarcasm? Really? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #40

There is no sarcasm in that post and I have no idea of what you mean by "group speak" marylandblue Mar 2019 #41

No? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #42

Well you don't seem to get it and you didn't answer the question. marylandblue Mar 2019 #43

That was not sarcasm. It was a legitimate question. MineralMan Mar 2019 #53

Have you ever heard of a concept called a rhetorical question? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #62

Have you ever heard of the condescending Dunning-Kruger miscommunication effect? marylandblue Mar 2019 #63

Reply #53 well illustrates that my answer was needed. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #65

He understood. You did not. Or you are being disingenuous. Take your pick. marylandblue Mar 2019 #66

His answer clearly indocated otherwise. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #67

He was explaining my post. Or did you think he was talking about something else? marylandblue Mar 2019 #69

I disagree for this reason. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #70

Yes, that is what I was saying as well. And after going through a long explanation, marylandblue Mar 2019 #72

All that and his only takaway Lordquinton Mar 2019 #45

Well I tried. marylandblue Mar 2019 #52

One reason I gave up on long responces Lordquinton Mar 2019 #56

Laughable. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #68

I don't think that's why theists don't post here. marylandblue Mar 2019 #71

It is a harsh greeting. Or warning, but certainly not a welcome guillaumeb Mar 2019 #73

Context and history are important. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #92

Thanks for supporting my point Lordquinton Mar 2019 #74

reply #71 disagrees with you. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #75

Don't cite my authority for your opinion, because I have none. marylandblue Mar 2019 #93

Too late. trotsky Mar 2019 #94

Post 71 has nothing to do with my point Lordquinton Mar 2019 #95

Of course. It's part of tribalism. bitterross Feb 2019 #5

I agree. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #9

Tolerance is also a human characteristic. marylandblue Feb 2019 #8

I recognize your feeling. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #10

That wasn't a feeling. I believe in being precise. marylandblue Feb 2019 #16

But you returned. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #18

See post 19. marylandblue Feb 2019 #20

I suspect it's also a characteristic of the great apes grumpyduck Feb 2019 #11

Agreed. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #12

Long before anyone ever reaches a state procon Feb 2019 #13

Good points. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #14

Is this the Religion forum? trotsky Mar 2019 #21

O RLY Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #22

BUT edhopper Mar 2019 #23

But religions are composed of humans. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #35

Well, the capacity for intolerance is a human characteristic. MineralMan Mar 2019 #24

And it's not like all intolerance is bad. trotsky Mar 2019 #25

On that note, I have started a new thread. MineralMan Mar 2019 #26

If we refuse to tolerate shitposting, does that make us intolerant? Major Nikon Mar 2019 #29

The problem in the Religion Group is some people are intolerant of fine art marylandblue Mar 2019 #27

Well, that's ONE problem in the Religion Group, anyway. MineralMan Mar 2019 #28

Has religion or God edhopper Mar 2019 #30

Unfortunately, the Old Testament includes a number of passages MineralMan Mar 2019 #31

And even though one could argue Jesus taught tolerance edhopper Mar 2019 #32

One could argue Jesus taught tolerance. Mariana Mar 2019 #33

True edhopper Mar 2019 #39

I have heard Christians say the same thing marylandblue Mar 2019 #37

But the logical next question edhopper Mar 2019 #38

"We live in a fallen world" is the usual answer. marylandblue Mar 2019 #44

And God obviously doesn't care edhopper Mar 2019 #47

They admit there is no theological answer in this life for suffering. marylandblue Mar 2019 #49

Funny edhopper Mar 2019 #55

I am talking about a subset of Christians who are more into feelings and good works marylandblue Mar 2019 #57

OK edhopper Mar 2019 #58

I'm gonna make a guess Lordquinton Mar 2019 #46

Perhaps you should guess again. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #48

I did some catching up Lordquinton Mar 2019 #50

It was yet another oops didn't actually read Voltaire2 Mar 2019 #51

Classic G-man Lordquinton Mar 2019 #61

Indeed you were. trotsky Mar 2019 #59

That was like the $100 line on jepardy Lordquinton Mar 2019 #60

Anything more than one human does can be called a "human characteristic." MineralMan Mar 2019 #54

How is it not? (nt) NeoGreen Mar 2019 #64

My argument is that it is a universal behavior. eom guillaumeb Mar 2019 #77

So, you deliberately choose to not ask:... NeoGreen Mar 2019 #91

Intolerance of what? the op is unclear Kurt V. Mar 2019 #76

My argument, or assertion, guillaumeb Mar 2019 #78

all human behavior is contingent on our social environment and our genetic endowment. so i would Kurt V. Mar 2019 #79

There can be isolated societies guillaumeb Mar 2019 #80

i understand your argument. how did all the hominids co-exist and cross breed if tribalism was a Kurt V. Mar 2019 #84

Perhaps they were unable to adapt to changing circumstances? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #85

i think leaders of society use this as a tool to gain control. the fear of other is purely a made up Kurt V. Mar 2019 #86

I agree that leaders exploit difference to gain and keep control. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #88

the history of south carolina right aftet the war of 1812 is a good example Kurt V. Mar 2019 #87

Please elaborate. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #89

google it. Its real interesting how blacks (slaves who fought in that war) and whites lived in Kurt V. Mar 2019 #90

Thank you. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #97

The OP is intentionally vague Lordquinton Mar 2019 #96

No man is better than any other man, and no man is less than any otherr man. I do not like c-rational Mar 2019 #83