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gtar100

(4,192 posts)
45. You make a very good point.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:11 PM
Mar 2019

In the other thread about blasphemy, I said that one's religion should be able to stand up to criticism but I didn't really take into account what you're referring to, which is other people being harassed and treated with contempt time after time. At that point, there is no dialog and just, well, harassment. Even if one is right on all the facts, being a jerk is just plain wrong.

One issue I see here is with laws pertaining to blasphemy. I don't see how they do any good. They are used to silence criticism, not protect people from harassment. On the other hand, a lot of the vitriol towards religion, and Christianity in particular, that I see and hear both on this board and other places, I see it as a release of a lot of pent up anger toward the oppressive nature many churches and other religious institutions have exhibited throughout history. At this point in time, we have the freedom to speak out without fear of being arrested, tortured and possibly burned at the stake. It makes sense there would be a great deal of contempt for religion in general because of how heavy-handed religious people have been towards others who haven't shared the same beliefs.

All the better for the religions themselves if the criticism and anger burns away those who just used their religion for power and manipulation and to cover up perverted behaviors. A lot of these charlatans that profess such great faith are often the very demons tearing the religion apart. What better way to destroy religion than to corrupt it from the inside out.

So I can understand athiests who really tear into religion with a vengeance but at some point it does become tit-for-tat. And if unchecked, it's just as disrespectful as unwelcome proselytizing by people from a church.

I hope we can discuss religion in a way that goes beyond the reactionary and values the sincerity we all feel about our perspectives and personal experiences. Since the subject is religion, we're talking about some of the deepest mysteries in life. It should be a joy to explore and differences can be acknowledged and appreciated if they don't come with the baggage of demanding everyone else to see and believe - or not believe - the same way. Nature provides us with the most illustrative example of how to live in a world filled with diversity. We ought to be emulating that rather than trying to define the one true way for everyone. It can be done with respect and humility. Why not.

Should flat-earthers learn to accept being treated with contempt? ret5hd Mar 2019 #1
The flat earth "theory" is easily disproven. eom guillaumeb Mar 2019 #2
If you're a grown adult you who believes in tooth fairies and magic and such Blues Heron Mar 2019 #3
A silly and reducionistic premise. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #5
The reason few take you seriously is because you try to float nonsense like this OP Major Nikon Mar 2019 #8
More framing. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #10
But you don't think pretending religion is no different than any other protected class is "framing" Major Nikon Mar 2019 #13
More channelling? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #15
More gibberish Major Nikon Mar 2019 #17
There's no difference between the goddess of teeth and your yaweh or allah or thor Blues Heron Mar 2019 #9
Ancient maps evidence flat earth beliefs Bretton Garcia Mar 2019 #28
Everyone knows that the invisible force field prevents the ships from falling. eom guillaumeb Mar 2019 #29
Invisible gravity... Bretton Garcia Mar 2019 #67
No, they knew the earth was round Lordquinton Mar 2019 #46
Yes. But how many believed him? Bretton Garcia Mar 2019 #50
The maps have clever illistrations Lordquinton Mar 2019 #51
Christians today like to say they didn't take the maps literally. Bretton Garcia Mar 2019 #52
And sailors were (are?) Very suspicious Lordquinton Mar 2019 #54
If religions erred in the past? Bretton Garcia Mar 2019 #65
There are pleanty of things religion got wrong Lordquinton Mar 2019 #66
People who can only think with analogies shouldn't be taken seriously to begin with Major Nikon Mar 2019 #6
So logical failure is what dictates the acceptability of contempt Major Nikon Mar 2019 #4
Again, guillaumeb Mar 2019 #7
Once again you insist on forming a strawman argument that is easily debunked Major Nikon Mar 2019 #11
Channeling your inner M? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #12
Gibberish Major Nikon Mar 2019 #14
Observation. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #16
Are you born with a religion? MineralMan Mar 2019 #36
At least the flat earth "theory" Eko Mar 2019 #33
What if there is no proof for a flat earth. MineralMan Mar 2019 #35
... Major Nikon Mar 2019 #18
Finally. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #19
Cultivating your canned replies Major Nikon Mar 2019 #20
I am still looking for that theists who calls opponents deceiver. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #21
Duplicity noted Major Nikon Mar 2019 #22
Noted: guillaumeb Mar 2019 #25
Lol tymorial Mar 2019 #31
Why not? Glamrock Mar 2019 #23
But should you, or anyone, have to learn that? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #24
Of course I shouldn't have to learn that, brother. Glamrock Mar 2019 #44
You should define contempt... Thomas Hurt Mar 2019 #26
Contempt in a strictly verbal sense. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #37
Aren't some theists supposed to be ready for that? TlalocW Mar 2019 #27
Are there 2 standards of acceptable conduct ? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #38
Is that what you do? Treat others as you wish to be treated? MineralMan Mar 2019 #62
"Should we not treat others as we wish to be treated?" trotsky Mar 2019 #64
Here we go again tymorial Mar 2019 #30
Your analogy is flawed Alpeduez21 Mar 2019 #32
Christians like Gil are so oppressed in this country. Mariana Mar 2019 #68
Should theists treat atheists with contempt? MineralMan Mar 2019 #34
Please try to stay on topic. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #39
I do not take instructions from you, sir. MineralMan Mar 2019 #40
Do you really see blasphemy in the same category as racism and misogyny? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2019 #41
The real question should be, how can we move past these various examples of intolerance? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #42
So how did "blasphemy" creep into your OP? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2019 #43
And there go the goalposts! Lordquinton Mar 2019 #47
Is blasphemy a form of intolerance? trotsky Mar 2019 #58
You were asked a question. Why did you not answer it? MineralMan Mar 2019 #61
You make a very good point. gtar100 Mar 2019 #45
So the things you are asking about are not equal Lordquinton Mar 2019 #48
Jesus said to rejoice and be glad when that happens. Mariana Mar 2019 #49
There's a spectrum of theists, some of whom are humanists who believe in Jesus, Allah, and more. no_hypocrisy Mar 2019 #53
Blasphemy? Are you serious? Voltaire2 Mar 2019 #55
Apparently so...It's a conflationgasm! MineralMan Mar 2019 #56
Yes, he is seriously trying to protect religious privilege... trotsky Mar 2019 #59
Maybe theists *should* learn... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #57
Should the theists of Westboro Baptist Church learn to accept being treated with contempt? trotsky Mar 2019 #60
Should Right Wing Trumpster accept being treated with contempt? edhopper Mar 2019 #63
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