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zipplewrath

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2. Arguing free will

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:02 PM

Mar 2019

Basically you are arguing free will in a very specific context. As always, I'd rather have to argue against the concept free will than to defend it.

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One's Religion Is a Choice. It Is Not an Innate Characteristic of Anyone. [View all] MineralMan Mar 2019 OP

It is upsetting that we have at least one person in this group... trotsky Mar 2019 #1

Well, while I think that such ideas can be dangerous, MineralMan Mar 2019 #3

I believe such religious extremists literally cannot separate the two. trotsky Mar 2019 #4

"How do we deal with such extremists?" MineralMan Mar 2019 #6

It's a paradox... NeoGreen Mar 2019 #8

At least they aren't burning us in the town square anymore Major Nikon Mar 2019 #7

Only because it is no longer an acceptable course of action. MineralMan Mar 2019 #9

Misframing. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #12

BWAH HA HA HA trotsky Mar 2019 #13

Here's what this straw person said... Major Nikon Mar 2019 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author marylandblue Mar 2019 #22

Arguing free will zipplewrath Mar 2019 #2

I have very little difficulty with accepting free will MineralMan Mar 2019 #5

And as you age zipplewrath Mar 2019 #10

Ah, yet another philosophical quandary. MineralMan Mar 2019 #11

A question: guillaumeb Mar 2019 #14

I'll tell you what, guillaumeb: MineralMan Mar 2019 #15

But, in the absence of any evidence for either position, guillaumeb Mar 2019 #18

If there is no evidence either way, then the intellectually correct position is agnosticism. marylandblue Mar 2019 #20

If faith is absent, then I agree. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #21

non-belief demands evidence for belief, therefore is not an act of faith. marylandblue Mar 2019 #23

Non-belief is also a negation of the premise underlying belief. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #42

Do you know what a null hypothesis is? marylandblue Mar 2019 #43

Apply it to your argument. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #44

"I don't believe your assertion" is not a position, gil. trotsky Mar 2019 #45

It is a position. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #48

No, I cannot accept your false claims. trotsky Mar 2019 #50

"Any atheist who states that there is no evidence for the existence of a god is asserting guillaumeb Mar 2019 #51

Then what you are saying is misstating the atheist's position. trotsky Mar 2019 #53

We disagree. eom guillaumeb Mar 2019 #54

You didn't answer the question. marylandblue Mar 2019 #46

"faith requires no evidence" trotsky Mar 2019 #37

Exactly. Mariana Mar 2019 #71

Atheism requires no position Major Nikon Mar 2019 #24

#20 uses the same term. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #25

You are full of shit as usual Major Nikon Mar 2019 #30

From the excerpt that you included: guillaumeb Mar 2019 #39

Some Christians also take the "position" women should be subservient to men Major Nikon Mar 2019 #47

Do you admit that you were incorrect? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #49

I admitted you are incorrect Major Nikon Mar 2019 #55

You misunderstand the term "gaslighting' as well. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #56

Sure, Gullible. More gaslighting is always the appropriate apology for gaslighting Major Nikon Mar 2019 #57

Gaslighting about what gaslighting means Lordquinton Mar 2019 #60

Obviously you just don't understand how gaslighting about gaslighting works Major Nikon Mar 2019 #61

... Lordquinton Mar 2019 #63

This is normal. Don't worry about it. Major Nikon Mar 2019 #64

Theism takes the position that there is a god Lordquinton Mar 2019 #35

#20 uses the exact the same term. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #40

Biblical literalism is also a Christian position, yes? Major Nikon Mar 2019 #58

If you provide no evidence to support your position Lordquinton Mar 2019 #59

Position, belief and approach are not synonymous, Monsieur B. MineralMan Mar 2019 #62

Claiming positive atheism is the only acceptable position... Major Nikon Mar 2019 #65

Well, if Christians insist that we accept their individual labels, MineralMan Mar 2019 #66

They should Major Nikon Mar 2019 #72

MN claims that marylandblue did not use the word position. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #67

You will have to take that up with him. MineralMan Mar 2019 #70

Sure! Eko Mar 2019 #28

Sort of. Voltaire2 Mar 2019 #16

Are humans so patterned and programmed that they are unable to have free will? guillaumeb Mar 2019 #19

Most likely yes. Voltaire2 Mar 2019 #26

A very interesting position. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #27

Change the programming obviously. Voltaire2 Mar 2019 #36

That sounds unrealistic. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #41

No it wouldn't. Voltaire2 Mar 2019 #73

While I agree with you that one's religion is a choice, PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #29

Fear of the dark is natural Major Nikon Mar 2019 #31

Interesting point. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #32

It's far easier to appeal to emotion than reason Major Nikon Mar 2019 #33

Again, thank you. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #34

It is easier not to question what one learns as a child. MineralMan Mar 2019 #38

Not necessarily Cary Mar 2019 #52

In most case, yes, that's true customerserviceguy Mar 2019 #68

I have no experience of living in such a society, so I can't answer. MineralMan Mar 2019 #69

With all due respect, this is just plain silly. old as dirt Dec 2021 #74