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Lordquinton

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56. That's the issue

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 10:20 PM

Apr 2019

When you start mixing morality with science it gets really muddy. I do reject the extremes you present, it's a fair leap from acknowledging that plants have some sort of feeling to torture.

Plants are still living organisms, and they are distantly related to us, which is really cool actually. To just discard that because it makes things complicated is a cop-out. I have no problems with people's food choices, I like to practice a policy of no food shaming, but I will question the philosophy behind it.

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Should veganism receive the same legal protection as a religion? [View all] trotsky Apr 2019 OP

Veganism overlooks something Cartoonist Apr 2019 #1

Have you ever heard the screams of a carrot NotAPuppet Apr 2019 #2

Are you trying to make a point? Cartoonist Apr 2019 #3

My point was that your example wasn't very good. NotAPuppet Apr 2019 #7

I missed it then Cartoonist Apr 2019 #12

Their ideas are no less rational than religious beliefs are. Mariana Apr 2019 #4

Agreed Cartoonist Apr 2019 #6

I know some vegans. marylandblue Apr 2019 #15

Your 2nd paragraph is a cop-out Cartoonist Apr 2019 #16

And you have no evidence that anything without a nervous system feels anything at all. marylandblue Apr 2019 #18

Who said anything about feelings? Cartoonist Apr 2019 #19

I said something about feelings. I explained what actual vegans think. marylandblue Apr 2019 #20

I know they think that way Cartoonist Apr 2019 #23

And what makes you think it's hypocritical to care about animal pain marylandblue Apr 2019 #24

I'm an omnivore Cartoonist Apr 2019 #26

That's a real stretch. Veganism is about not killing or abusing animals. Blues Heron Apr 2019 #29

Yes it is Major Nikon Apr 2019 #54

You are on a bit of a high horse yourself. marylandblue Apr 2019 #30

No Cartoonist Apr 2019 #34

Steaks don't feel pain, but cows do. Some people are empathetic to the cows. marylandblue Apr 2019 #43

Most care more about thinking they are morally superior Major Nikon Apr 2019 #53

My view is that vegans actually are more empathetic, and there is research to back it up. marylandblue Apr 2019 #57

Cause vs effect Major Nikon Apr 2019 #58

I didn't say being a vegan makes you more empathetic, or that there was any causation marylandblue Apr 2019 #59

I'd argue cows can be less damaging to the environment than some crops Major Nikon Apr 2019 #60

Vegans don't claim that they want to preserve all life. Mariana Apr 2019 #25

My take Cartoonist Apr 2019 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Mariana Apr 2019 #31

Do you think I'm a hypocrite, then, because I oppose cannibalism? Mariana Apr 2019 #33

Good question Cartoonist Apr 2019 #36

"Human beings are animals, handmade34 Apr 2019 #28

I don't like those that preach Cartoonist Apr 2019 #37

well handmade34 Apr 2019 #42

To the second point Lordquinton Apr 2019 #21

"responses to pain-like stimuli?" There are viruses that do that. marylandblue Apr 2019 #22

That's the issue Lordquinton Apr 2019 #56

It's more than just B12 tinrobot Apr 2019 #35

Wasn't aware of the Vitamin A thing, but for people with normal metabolisms, the point still stands. marylandblue Apr 2019 #45

Would you like to compare health statistics? Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #47

I never said they were unhealthy. tinrobot Apr 2019 #49

The study categorized both veg and vegan diets. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #50

Here's a study of the same group that inlcudes all diets tinrobot Apr 2019 #52

Such studies that don't consider other factors aren't worth much Major Nikon Apr 2019 #55

Yes. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #5

If a vegan is a cashier at a grocery store... trotsky Apr 2019 #9

Like the baker who claimed a right to not make his "artistic" cakes? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #39

Please answer my question. n/t trotsky Apr 2019 #44

Answer your question? Who do you think you're replying to? :D LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #51

LOL no kidding. trotsky Apr 2019 #62

Is it a religion? Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #8

Not a philosophical belief so no. Thyla Apr 2019 #10

The point. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #13

I already give both groups the same treatment. MineralMan Apr 2019 #11

"You can't skip work just because you like a long lie-in in the morning" marylandblue Apr 2019 #14

Do you over sleep religiously? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #40

We can't even keep LGBT fully protected in most of the states in the US Major Nikon Apr 2019 #17

LOL. This may be the most ridiculous debate ever hueymahl Apr 2019 #32

yes handmade34 Apr 2019 #38

Trying to figure out who is more annoying: a street preacher or a vegan Jake Stern Apr 2019 #41

I've never encountered a vegan preaching Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #48

My experience is if you want to know if someone is vegan you don't have to interrogate them Major Nikon Apr 2019 #61

My Question: Why should I know either the religious or food consumption beliefs MineralMan Apr 2019 #46