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130. Divine Justice?

Sat May 18, 2019, 01:03 PM

May 2019

If there is no divine justice, our society could kill babies in good conscience and there would be no consequence

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How Oxford and Peter Singer drove me from atheism to Jesus [View all] guillaumeb May 2019 OP

"No longer running from god." WTF A DAY IN THE LIFE May 2019 #1

Welcome to DU. guillaumeb May 2019 #2

Good question. MineralMan May 2019 #6

Vengeance? Ghost Dog May 2019 #19

Belief in gods. Voltaire2 May 2019 #67

The author was clearly already in search of something. bitterross May 2019 #107

Yep, much more to this story Major Nikon May 2019 #108

Look at her stated place of employment; Western Sydney U. Bretton Garcia May 2019 #110

Her employer rates pretty low among institutes of higher learning Major Nikon May 2019 #112

Sarah's job seems more serious: Bretton Garcia May 2019 #113

Curiously? There was a Dr. Irving Breakstone in Miami Bretton Garcia May 2019 #115

The author of the article is whoever she is. MineralMan May 2019 #116

Yep! Just More Will B. Will Be Will B. bitterross May 2019 #119

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. MineralMan May 2019 #120

I agree with this True Dough May 2019 #127

He's clearly writing for an audience. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #114

Whatever an individual feels they need to give their life meaning is their business, The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #3

What comes first? guillaumeb May 2019 #8

It's a little difficult to understand how the implications of her atheism were incompatible with ... Jim__ May 2019 #4

I agree wih you that she is probably referring to Singer. guillaumeb May 2019 #9

Singer asserts that ethics that hold Voltaire2 May 2019 #69

Is Singer a vegatarian? guillaumeb May 2019 #71

So you demonstrably know nothing about Singer. Voltaire2 May 2019 #72

One of us is unfamiliar with Singer's veganism. guillaumeb May 2019 #75

It sounds more likely that she disagrees with Singer's views on human equality. Jim__ May 2019 #79

Is Singer wrong to question if ALL humans are equal? bitterross May 2019 #109

First, I wasn't judging Singer's claims, I was addressing an issue about ... Jim__ May 2019 #121

Thank you for a great response. bitterross May 2019 #123

My thoughts are that somebody in England became a Christian. MineralMan May 2019 #5

My thoughts are written here in my responses. guillaumeb May 2019 #11

I'm not familiar with Singer's thinking. MineralMan May 2019 #12

I have read some of what he writes. guillaumeb May 2019 #15

OK. I rarely read writings about atheism that are written by MineralMan May 2019 #30

Understood. guillaumeb May 2019 #32

So she said. MineralMan May 2019 #33

I found it to be interesting. guillaumeb May 2019 #35

Why did you find it interesting? See that's the thing. MineralMan May 2019 #52

She stated that she was an atheist. guillaumeb May 2019 #60

No, I'll take her word for it, MineralMan May 2019 #63

Well, you did write: guillaumeb May 2019 #65

I wouldn't argue with her, but I might not think her atheism MineralMan May 2019 #66

If we agree that each atheist personally defines atheism, guillaumeb May 2019 #68

Do you think that each atheist personally defines atheism? marylandblue May 2019 #83

Of course. guillaumeb May 2019 #89

Good, so I expect you'll never argue about the definition of atheism again. marylandblue May 2019 #91

I argued only for expanding the definition to include those who might believe. eom guillaumeb May 2019 #141

You argued with atheists here about the nature of their own beliefs marylandblue May 2019 #146

No, I argued that, as you said, they are beliefs. guillaumeb May 2019 #149

If their belief is that atheism is not a belief, then that is how they define their atheism. marylandblue May 2019 #151

Of course each atheist does that. MineralMan May 2019 #88

What a great point! Someone needs a spine. bitterross May 2019 #111

I'd bet my firstborn he completely agrees with the OP. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #118

Uh what? Singer is famous for his utilitarian Voltaire2 May 2019 #70

If you have read any of his dissertations about Abrahamic theism, guillaumeb May 2019 #73

You demonstrated upthread that you Voltaire2 May 2019 #74

Ironic that your reply #71 demonstrates the opposite. guillaumeb May 2019 #76

Really? Let's go to the wiki. Voltaire2 May 2019 #77

Agreed. guillaumeb May 2019 #78

Wtf are you on about? Voltaire2 May 2019 #80

Have you already forgotten? guillaumeb May 2019 #81

Perhaps you should study his thinking in more detail and let us know. marylandblue May 2019 #84

You do understand that vegans are a subset of vegetarians right. Voltaire2 May 2019 #85

Also thinks deists are a subset of theists Major Nikon May 2019 #104

What kind of values are incompatible with atheism? Cartoonist May 2019 #7

And they are present in non-theists as well. guillaumeb May 2019 #10

And she's welcome to her story. MineralMan May 2019 #13

What lesson are we to take? guillaumeb May 2019 #18

And yet, you found it interesting enough to share here. MineralMan May 2019 #22

Your many anecdotal observations support your own narrative. guillaumeb May 2019 #23

It's not that I don't like the anecdote. MineralMan May 2019 #25

We understand how MM's post supports his narrative. marylandblue May 2019 #45

Thank you. MineralMan May 2019 #46

Needs further explanation Cartoonist May 2019 #17

You listed several things that are present in humans. guillaumeb May 2019 #20

You missed Cartoonist May 2019 #26

The logic behind your question is puzzling to me. guillaumeb May 2019 #27

No Cartoonist May 2019 #31

Yes, she did claim that. guillaumeb May 2019 #34

It is exclusive Cartoonist May 2019 #37

Do all theists hate? guillaumeb May 2019 #39

I never said all Cartoonist May 2019 #40

You cannot logically assert that you know why theists hate. guillaumeb May 2019 #41

Jeez, whatever gave me that idea? Cartoonist May 2019 #47

Those values are incompatible with *your* atheism, The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #14

Well, it was just an anecdote about one person's decision. MineralMan May 2019 #21

People publish personal anecdotes all the time. Obviously it meant something to the author, The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #24

Falconry? guillaumeb May 2019 #28

I find personal anecdotes to be very interesting when they are MineralMan May 2019 #29

Sarah seems superficial on Christianity Bretton Garcia May 2019 #90

Rose-colored glasses are very popular, I understand, MineralMan May 2019 #99

She also appears to not realize... trotsky May 2019 #101

Yes, I don't like those values, either. MineralMan May 2019 #16

Not so much incompatible as non-complimentary Major Nikon May 2019 #92

Singer also made an ethical case for Vegetarianism/Veganism. AtheistCrusader May 2019 #138

Anyone who is convinced by "Mere Christianity" wasn't looking for answers. trotsky May 2019 #36

So you dismissed her claim of being an atheist? guillaumeb May 2019 #38

I'm commenting on how awful Mere Christianity is. trotsky May 2019 #42

So you accept that she was an atheist, and retract your claim? guillaumeb May 2019 #44

You clearly didn't read what I wrote. trotsky May 2019 #50

Looked more like a desire for strawman Major Nikon May 2019 #93

She says she was from a "secular" family Bretton Garcia May 2019 #95

I've read "Mere Christianity," and although it's a beautifully-written explanation The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #43

I share that criticism of that book. MineralMan May 2019 #48

I was raised a Christian. trotsky May 2019 #51

Yes. The book has helped many on their road to atheism. MineralMan May 2019 #55

Since you don't like religion and were predisposed to disagree The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #53

Actually, you're incorrect about that. MineralMan May 2019 #57

Wheaton Cartoonist May 2019 #59

Yeah, I agree. MineralMan May 2019 #64

I probably wouldn't have lasted long there. MineralMan May 2019 #87

OK, fair enough. I read it when I was much older, and because The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #82

I'm sort of naturally logical in my approach MineralMan May 2019 #86

The entire piece rings of bullshit Major Nikon May 2019 #94

Sure does. trotsky May 2019 #98

You can hear the same horseshit from batshit crazy streetcorner preachers Major Nikon May 2019 #103

Hey now. He doesn't always tell people how wrong they are. trotsky May 2019 #105

... Major Nikon May 2019 #106

Thoughts? Cartoonist May 2019 #49

It's also a two-year-old piece. trotsky May 2019 #54

Damn! I didn't notice the date. MineralMan May 2019 #58

Very good. guillaumeb May 2019 #62

Whatever you need for your agenda, g. trotsky May 2019 #96

Well, two years is quite some time, and Sarah may have changed her mind MineralMan May 2019 #117

Yes, the Rec standard. guillaumeb May 2019 #61

You're the one who has claimed to have a giant fan club sending you private messages. trotsky May 2019 #97

going to church, several of them, drove me to atheism. demigoddess May 2019 #56

How Christians drove me to atheism. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #100

"I knelt in my closet in my apartment and asked Jesus" MineralMan May 2019 #102

Another interesting stand-out. AtheistCrusader May 2019 #139

Many of the indigenous cultures they encountered MineralMan May 2019 #145

Sarah Irving-Stonebraker, and Science-Fiction Christianity Bretton Garcia May 2019 #122

I didn't know anything about Singer before, but I see he has a unique moral perspective marylandblue May 2019 #124

The fundamental error is believing that one person, Peter Singer, MineralMan May 2019 #125

Great words as usual Ferrets are Cool May 2019 #126

I think is a general discomfort with the idea that there is no ultimate justice. marylandblue May 2019 #129

I would think that Humanism might represent the ethics edhopper May 2019 #134

All atheists "represent" atheism. guillaumeb May 2019 #142

All atheists represent themselves. MineralMan May 2019 #143

We disagree. guillaumeb May 2019 #144

Of course we disagree. MineralMan May 2019 #147

So we can judge Christianity by the examples of individual Christians? marylandblue May 2019 #148

Do we not judge everyone by their actions? guillaumeb May 2019 #150

Based on everything you've said before, no category is relevant for any purpose. marylandblue May 2019 #152

We all act for our own reasons. guillaumeb May 2019 #153

Atheists on this site have been telling you this for years. marylandblue May 2019 #154

If that is your preferred narrative, I understand. eom guillaumeb May 2019 #155

Or so you have convinced yourself. MineralMan May 2019 #156

Ironically, I think the same thing about many of your posts. eom guillaumeb May 2019 #159

Yah, OK, then. MineralMan May 2019 #161

My preferred narrative is called "the truth." marylandblue May 2019 #157

What is truth? guillaumeb May 2019 #160

It's very weird for a Christian to quote Pilate's cynical question. marylandblue May 2019 #162

What an odd thing to bring up... MineralMan May 2019 #163

Truth has many meanings. guillaumeb May 2019 #164

No, not really. MineralMan May 2019 #165

You are confused about the various meanings of the word truth. guillaumeb May 2019 #166

I believe this form of lying is called dissembling. marylandblue May 2019 #167

Perhaps you should research the word truth. guillaumeb May 2019 #168

I did research the word. And I know a postmodern narrative when I see one. marylandblue May 2019 #169

And what type of truth are there? guillaumeb May 2019 #170

What makes your narrative postmodern, is that you can take any text marylandblue May 2019 #171

And what was the clear intent? guillaumeb May 2019 #172

Well, since I am the one who brought up the word "truth," marylandblue May 2019 #173

Thank you for the clarification of intent. eom guillaumeb May 2019 #177

Well now that you know why I picked that word, perhaps you could consider marylandblue May 2019 #178

"You are confused" trotsky May 2019 #174

... Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #175

No, actually, I am not. MineralMan May 2019 #176

Whether or not you agree with Singer his methods are far superior Major Nikon May 2019 #128

Divine Justice? Cartoonist May 2019 #130

Who do you think I might be paraphrasing? marylandblue May 2019 #131

Peter Singer Cartoonist May 2019 #132

I was paraphrasing a quick survey of her impression of what he seems to be saying. marylandblue May 2019 #133

My thoughts are that for someone who apparently got her PhD from Cambridge, logic or clear writing muriel_volestrangler May 2019 #135

Irving-Stonebraker writes a cliched "captivity," then "conversion narrative" Bretton Garcia May 2019 #136

I am convinced it's a narrative crafted to appeal to evangelical christians. AtheistCrusader May 2019 #140

Or Irving-Stonebraker genuinely loves cliches Bretton Garcia May 2019 #158

'Bullpucky'. AtheistCrusader May 2019 #137