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marylandblue

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82. No, i said I MIGHT be open to restrictions in some cases.

Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:47 PM

Jun 2019

Enphasis on the MIGHT, in case you missed it, and I'll repeat it so it's not hidden. I MIGHT be open to restrictions in some cases. Clear?

I hold this position, in part (as in not completely, but only in part) due to my personal experience with actual people with actual uteruses. Not 4 billion other uteruses, who somehow have a say in my personal affairs and opinions, but an individual in my own life who has a uterus, said something was my business and I agreed. In her own life. Imagine that. Without consulting with NARAL.

And also as a consequence of my personal experience, any man, regardless of his stance on abortion who thinks this issue does not affect his life either has never been there or is completely unfeeling.

Likewise, any woman who thinks having a uterus gives her some special insight into what other women think about their own uteruses is totally clueless.

Which is why there are men such as yourself who support women's rights, and women such as Phyllis Schafly who did not. Because women's rights are not just for women, they are also for men who care about women. Actual women, that is. Not political cardboard cutouts.

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Why Democrats Struggle To Mobilize A 'Religious Left' [View all] trotsky May 2019 OP

As an atheist, I want religion completely out of government. MineralMan May 2019 #1

As a Buddhist, I want the same -- except vlyons May 2019 #2

While it is true that many see atheism as amoral, MineralMan May 2019 #3

I agree, but even as an atheist myself trev May 2019 #27

Yes, of course. Individual beliefs are just fine. MineralMan May 2019 #31

As I said, I agree. trev May 2019 #39

"This emerging group of secular Democrats coexists a little uneasily with the more religious wing" marylandblue May 2019 #4

Indeed we do. trotsky May 2019 #6

It's perfectly understandable, though I don't believe it's justified. marylandblue May 2019 #7

They are indeed coalitions. trotsky May 2019 #8

No need for one group to "cater" to another. marylandblue May 2019 #10

Oh really? That's not what it sounds like you are saying. trotsky May 2019 #16

Sure, isn't that what we are talking about? marylandblue May 2019 #20

Nearly half of the progressive bloc doesn't give a shit what Jesus said. trotsky May 2019 #21

You were just complaining about religious people telling you to shut up. marylandblue May 2019 #24

Oh they can speak all they want. trotsky May 2019 #28

I don't think anyone on the religious left want a platform based on religion marylandblue May 2019 #30

"I don't think anyone on the religious left want a platform based on religion" trotsky May 2019 #33

Yes, there are people who think that, but feeding the poor is a standard progressive position. marylandblue May 2019 #34

"Is there any religious left leader who takes a non-progressive position because of religion?" trotsky May 2019 #36

I'll have to research that a bit more, but I did find this marylandblue May 2019 #38

She wanted more restrictions on abortion. That's not a progressive position. trotsky May 2019 #40

I don't know what she means by "more restrictions." marylandblue May 2019 #41

OK, you're gonna dig in. That's fine. trotsky May 2019 #42

I didn't say "progressive orthodoxy" was good or bad, and I'm certainly not calling myself smart. marylandblue May 2019 #43

Okey doke. trotsky Jun 2019 #45

I'm sure you don't, which is why I don't talk about it on DU. marylandblue Jun 2019 #48

Well, that and talking about it on DU demonstrates... trotsky Jun 2019 #59

I don't oppose reproductive rights. And I didn't tell you what I believe. marylandblue Jun 2019 #64

You said you favored more restrictions on abortion. trotsky Jun 2019 #66

I said that I MIGHT refuse to rule out restrictions until I got more details. marylandblue Jun 2019 #67

The fact that you would even consider restricting abortion rights is pretty repulsive. trotsky Jun 2019 #68

Men have uteruses in the game too, and I did have to face this decision marylandblue Jun 2019 #69

Okey doke. trotsky Jun 2019 #70

Huh? You have a problem with how I run my personal life too? marylandblue Jun 2019 #71

But your authority does end there. MineralMan Jun 2019 #72

I didn't say anything about authority. marylandblue Jun 2019 #73

No, you didn't. So what would be your input into MineralMan Jun 2019 #74

That's between me and her forever. End of story. marylandblue Jun 2019 #75

As you say... MineralMan Jun 2019 #76

Well in terms of this thread, in general there is no such thing as a unlimited right. marylandblue Jun 2019 #79

And yet, people jump off bridges rather frequently. MineralMan Jun 2019 #81

I understand all that which is why this argument is mainly theoretical. marylandblue Jun 2019 #83

It's a WOMAN'S CHOICE. trotsky Jun 2019 #77

Now you have a problem with how an actual woman made an actual choice. marylandblue Jun 2019 #78

OK then. trotsky Jun 2019 #80

No, i said I MIGHT be open to restrictions in some cases. marylandblue Jun 2019 #82

Good that you are backtracking. trotsky Jun 2019 #84

This is the first thing I said about it marylandblue Jun 2019 #85

Wow, you are trying really, really hard. trotsky Jun 2019 #86

Edited title: previous version of this post misunderstood your response. marylandblue Jun 2019 #87

OK, so you've basically just restated yourself multiple times. I don't know why. trotsky Jun 2019 #88

I didn't know what you meant by "keep digging." marylandblue Jun 2019 #89

Discussion about what? trotsky Jun 2019 #90

Discussion about our differing opinions. Which has been known to happen on DU from time to time. marylandblue Jun 2019 #91

How exactly am I mischaracterizing your opinion? trotsky Jun 2019 #92

False. I am not willing to add "more" restrictions to the present ones.. marylandblue Jun 2019 #93

That's not at all what you said in post #41. trotsky Jun 2019 #94

First, don't tell me what my intentions are. Second, if I make a mistake, I admit it. marylandblue Jun 2019 #97

I'm not curious about why you are willing to impose restrictions on a woman's right to choose. trotsky Jun 2019 #98

That's all we need Cartoonist May 2019 #5

What exactly are you "letting" happen or not happen? marylandblue May 2019 #13

A takeover Cartoonist May 2019 #15

So you won't vote for anybody who says "God" too much? marylandblue May 2019 #18

I might not Cartoonist May 2019 #25

I don't know of any candidates on the left who "puts God before country." marylandblue May 2019 #29

I might Cartoonist May 2019 #32

All candidates make a bet. Buttigieg is betting more people will like his religious talk marylandblue May 2019 #35

How's about we mobilize the nones instead? Voltaire2 May 2019 #9

Good point, but who is this "we" you speak of? marylandblue May 2019 #11

See the headline of the op. Voltaire2 May 2019 #12

So nobody is showing up at the Religious Left Prayer Breakfast? marylandblue May 2019 #14

No, the nones are expected to shut up and let the "religious left" do what they want. trotsky May 2019 #17

Who is telling you to shut up? marylandblue May 2019 #19

Oh that's cute. trotsky May 2019 #22

Thanks for the slack, I do need it. marylandblue May 2019 #23

Religious right have a shitload of money. Nun's residence down the road from me, basically a mansion applegrove May 2019 #26

Or... Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #37

From the article: guillaumeb May 2019 #44

You grasp onto whatever straws you want, g. trotsky Jun 2019 #46

And I understand your need to believe your narrative. eom guillaumeb Jun 2019 #47

Tell me, do you try to remind all minorities of their "place," trotsky Jun 2019 #49

I understand your need to beleive in your narrative. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #51

So why do you only tell non-believers to mind their place? trotsky Jun 2019 #52

Why do you feel the need to reframe what people actually say? guillaumeb Jun 2019 #53

I didn't reframe a thing. trotsky Jun 2019 #54

So you are unaware of what you do? guillaumeb Jun 2019 #55

You're trying to gaslight again. trotsky Jun 2019 #56

And you are attempting to control the narrative guillaumeb Jun 2019 #57

I am merely pointing out what you are saying. trotsky Jun 2019 #58

No, you are attempting to control the limits of the narrative. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #60

Where's the straw man, g? trotsky Jun 2019 #61

Even here, you must frame to attack. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #62

Explain your position. Prove me wrong. trotsky Jun 2019 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author Mariana Jun 2019 #65

Not even all that great of a straw to grasp Major Nikon Jun 2019 #50

And chop that in about half, if you bother to read the next section about how important religion is AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #95

An unsupported assertion. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #96

Actually I did support it, contingent upon you actually reading the article. AtheistCrusader Jun 2019 #99