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SCantiGOP

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10. Define your terms!!

Tue Jul 9, 2019, 09:31 AM

Jul 2019

You are exactly right. Most arguments can’t proceed if you stop and make everyone define their terms, since that exposes the core of the disagreement.

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"Atheism is inconsistent with science, says Dartmouth physicist Marcelo Gleiser " [View all] edhopper Jul 2019 OP

The hard atheism straw man is theists' go-to argument. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #1

Then immediately followed by the assertion of rejection of faith is "faith" Major Nikon Jul 2019 #4

Yes, atheism is inconsistent with science. But so is the concept of religion. DetlefK Jul 2019 #2

Given the complete absence of any evidence for a God edhopper Jul 2019 #3

That's the difference between faith and knowledge. DetlefK Jul 2019 #7

Good point. edhopper Jul 2019 #15

"Shouldn't we ask whether God's existence is provable/disprovable at all?" Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #6

While at the sime time pre-supposing God's non-existence. DetlefK Jul 2019 #9

So, your argument is "I can't prove god exists because I don't know what god is"? Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #13

No, my argument is that we don't know whether the question even has an answer. DetlefK Jul 2019 #19

I could substitute "vampires" for "god" and using the same argument... Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #21

Actually you should first define your terms Major Nikon Jul 2019 #8

Define your terms!! SCantiGOP Jul 2019 #10

I have seen both definitions used in practice. DetlefK Jul 2019 #12

You can be both an agnostic and an atheist Major Nikon Jul 2019 #20

Any god worthy of the name Mariana Jul 2019 #22

Yes. Even the 1) Bible god hisself says we could and should look for proofs Bretton Garcia Jul 2019 #40

About that last part Lordquinton Jul 2019 #44

Because we are finite and can't prove him edhopper Jul 2019 #46

That depends on the definition of "proof". DetlefK Jul 2019 #48

If those things edhopper Jul 2019 #50

There is a difference between finite and infinite gods: DetlefK Jul 2019 #47

But? If an infinite god promises to deliver a billion pizzas at 10PM? Bretton Garcia Jul 2019 #49

Thor does indeed fly through the air on a chariot pulled by two goats. trotsky Jul 2019 #51

That fire-breathing dragon... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #52

Nothing is absolutely certain in an Infinitely complex universe. Bretton Garcia Jul 2019 #54

Well of course. trotsky Jul 2019 #56

Yeah. Bretton Garcia Jul 2019 #57

Numbers are infinite. Voltaire2 Jul 2019 #53

In which case ... Bretton Garcia Jul 2019 #55

That's where the faith part comes in? Zambero Jul 2019 #5

That's really just where faith starts Major Nikon Jul 2019 #17

How do you have a belief in disbelief? Thomas Hurt Jul 2019 #11

you don't edhopper Jul 2019 #16

True. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #25

Because it's not a belief edhopper Jul 2019 #34

I accept that this is your view. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #35

Yes we know you insist on defining atheism for atheists. trotsky Jul 2019 #36

No, I insist on defining what it is. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #37

You seem to have fallen into a neverending Arguement Sketch... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #38

Pretty much. trotsky Jul 2019 #39

The best part is he defines himself as both a deist and a theist Major Nikon Jul 2019 #41

'god' is the proffered hypothesis... NeoGreen Jul 2019 #14

Yes edhopper Jul 2019 #18

only need to disprove them to the extent.. uriel1972 Jul 2019 #23

True. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #24

Why is God unprovable? edhopper Jul 2019 #27

Ask God. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #28

If I could ask God something edhopper Jul 2019 #29

One might be able to ask, in a sense, guillaumeb Jul 2019 #30

The unclear edhopper Jul 2019 #31

How convenient. A one-time answer in the form of a human before the first camera was invented. AtheistCrusader Jul 2019 #33

Substitute purple people eater for god and the circular logic works the same Major Nikon Jul 2019 #42

Only the one eyed, one horn, flying variety edhopper Jul 2019 #43

Such a boring argument in the abstract... Moostache Jul 2019 #26

Sure. And not believing in the fucking easter bunny is inconsistent with science. enki23 Jul 2019 #32

I get this feeling when theists try to talk science Lordquinton Jul 2019 #45