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Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
7. Nope.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 01:19 PM
Feb 2020

You are reading that into what said if you are referring to my comment, which I hope you are not. Forgive me if I misunderstood.

This is a much deeper topic than that. There are scientists and philosophers who go into more depth on it and the answers are not cut and dried. Assuming that does a disservice and injustice to the realm of inquiry, especially when it is in the service of scientism and if you think that a statement like that is something that requires refutation based on a biased approach.

Superficial overviews of the methodology of science and its interpretations are just as prone to fallacy and bias as other forms of knowledge and when there is an agenda behind it, it becomes obvious that the idea of having a factual truth that disproves something with prejudice.

For instance, people can throw around Occam's Razor and disregard the fact that it was used as a valid "proof" that God created the Universe because it is the simplest answer, all things considered. It was a two-edged sword and more of a truism than a completely logical proof, but it is useful in some contexts.

Evolution is a theory. Science is not dogmatic, (or should not be essentially). The way that evolution should be expressed is that, so far, the information we have gathered makes the theory of evolution the most viable and provable one to date. Now, the reason for that is that science is not what is used as a sledgehammer in the common vernacular to pound down theists, etc., which is one of the things that distinguishes it from religious cosmologies, etc. Empirical science began as part of an anti-rational movement as you may know so to conflate it with the field of logic and reason is to miss the point or present it in a specious manner, again in order to prove a perspective rather than discover the truth of the matter. Evolution will hold unless or until there is a point where something possibly deeper or more comprehensive, (like emergence) either expands on it or transforms our understanding, hence science in not the dogma that practitioners of scientism utilize as a counterpoint to other ways of knowing or viewing realty.

I would add that skepticism is being misused, misunderstood and corrupted in the same way. I am a skeptic's skeptic and can't accept a close-minded stance that utilizes skepticism to promote biases about reality by way of a prejudice that skews the picture, aka, The Amazing Randi. Skepticism is simply a means of questioning validity and suspending judgement or belief in order to investigate what can be investigated, rather than a one-sided, disguised disbelief that rests on its own assumptions in order to disprove what it can't accept.

Even science itself has some issues and a crises that makes using it in certain ways concerning people's beliefs fallacious and disingenuous, to say the least, and it is rather dangerous, just like the people who promote science without really understanding what it is and what is for precisely and then inject philosophical interpretations as a means to form an anti-theological argument from a myopic point of view. So there is a related crises, you could say:

https://aeon.co/essays/post-empirical-science-is-an-oxymoron-and-it-is-dangerous

Now, I am open to hear about anyone's "certainty' here.

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Lately, Newest Reality Feb 2020 #1
Yes, here we go again. Religious belief is no different than trust in science. Major Nikon Feb 2020 #5
Nope. Newest Reality Feb 2020 #7
Obsolecence... Newest Reality Feb 2020 #8
Are you presenting a challenge to yourself? Major Nikon Feb 2020 #24
There are two ways to post. Newest Reality Feb 2020 #26
It doesn't rub me the wrong way Major Nikon Feb 2020 #29
Thanks. Newest Reality Feb 2020 #31
Occam's razor was never a valid proof for God Cartoonist Feb 2020 #11
I didn't say it was. Newest Reality Feb 2020 #12
You're still wrong about Occam. Cartoonist Feb 2020 #13
Can you be more specific? Newest Reality Feb 2020 #14
A good way to put it: Newest Reality Feb 2020 #15
Maybe you could comment on: Newest Reality Feb 2020 #16
I can see that Cartoonist Feb 2020 #17
Well, Newest Reality Feb 2020 #18
My God?????? Cartoonist Feb 2020 #19
You can't see it? Newest Reality Feb 2020 #20
Excuse me! Cartoonist Feb 2020 #21
No problem. Newest Reality Feb 2020 #22
Feynman died 32 years ago, before we could even map the CMB (2013). AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #37
Who the fuck is positing Ockham's Razor as a "Proof" or "bulletproof assertion of actual fact" AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #36
"Evolution is a theory" Major Nikon Feb 2020 #23
Thanks for your opinion! Newest Reality Feb 2020 #25
Speaking of arguing with yourself... Major Nikon Feb 2020 #32
Ok. Newest Reality Feb 2020 #34
Another one who doesn't understand the term "theory" VMA131Marine Feb 2020 #28
I understand it that way. Newest Reality Feb 2020 #30
Have you read Pigliucci's "Philosophy of PseudoScience"? Jim__ Feb 2020 #38
Dictionaries I can find suggest it's related to words for either 'love' or 'precious'/'pleasing' muriel_volestrangler Feb 2020 #40
Most Christians believe in some form of creationism Major Nikon Feb 2020 #2
Religion and science should be able to meld. JohnnyRingo Feb 2020 #3
At what point do you stop discarding? Major Nikon Feb 2020 #6
I have a hard time stopping JohnnyRingo Feb 2020 #33
Yes, but that's two separate things Major Nikon Feb 2020 #41
No. trotsky Feb 2020 #35
In theory, yes. In practice that rarely happens. Major Nikon Feb 2020 #42
Yeah? Well God will tend to their sorry asses when the time comes 3Hotdogs Feb 2020 #4
Trump atty Jay Seculow spent most of his adult life pushing comradebillyboy Feb 2020 #9
Fire Betsy DeVos. safeinOhio Feb 2020 #10
I was taught that God created the evolutionary process greymalkin415 Feb 2020 #27
Pretty inefficient means of creation, if you ask me. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #39
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. hunter Feb 2020 #43
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