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14. Where is there any mention of Kim as a deity? Marxist-Leninist governments are categorically atheist

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 03:57 PM

Dec 2011

"Democratic People's Republic of Korea (since 1948); Workers' Party of Korea, removed Marxist-Leninism references and officially follows Juche."

"Juche or Chuch'e (Korean pronunciation: [tɕutɕʰe]) is a Korean word usually translated as "self-reliance." In the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea), "Juche" refers specifically to a political thesis of Kim Il-sung, the Juche Idea, that identifies the Korean masses as the masters of the country's development. From the 1950s to the 1970s, Kim elaborated the Juche Idea into a set of principles that the government uses to justify its policy decisions. Among these are independence from great powers, a strong military posture, and reliance on Korean national resources. "Juche" has sometimes been translated in North Korean sources as "independent stand" or "spirit of self-reliance", and has also been interpreted as "always putting Korean things first."[1]:414 According to Kim Il-sung, the Juche Idea is based on the belief that "man is the master of everything and decides everything.'"

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Well, here's a little lite reading! The Myth of Monotheism [View all] icymist Dec 2011 OP

As always, Icymist, you educate with truth. yellerpup Dec 2011 #1

I didn't care for his analysis. Behind the Aegis Dec 2011 #2

I welcome your thoughts here. icymist Dec 2011 #3

I haven't read that book, but I am familiar with the myth. Behind the Aegis Dec 2011 #4

I'll be getting back to you soon. icymist Dec 2011 #5

Take your time. Behind the Aegis Dec 2011 #6

Okay, here are some of my comments: icymist Dec 2011 #8

You are only fooling yourself if you think monotheism humblebum Dec 2011 #7

I don't think atheism itself was ever imposed DissedByBush Dec 2011 #10

Just how is being "expert in everything who shoots four holes-in-one every time he plays golf." humblebum Dec 2011 #11

He was portrayed as super-human DissedByBush Dec 2011 #12

"god-like status?" That's a pretty ambiguous description. Washington, Lincoln, even MLK have left humblebum Dec 2011 #13

Nothing even close DissedByBush Dec 2011 #15

"Apparently ol' Jong-Il could control the weather by his mood." And people have still observed humblebum Dec 2011 #17

It's not folklore DissedByBush Dec 2011 #20

"LMA was just a bunch of people who didn't like religion." Alrighty then! humblebum Dec 2011 #24

Pretty much DissedByBush Dec 2011 #25

Do you have any idea how many died at the hands of these people or were sent to their deaths humblebum Dec 2011 #27

As part of Stalin's crackdown on possible opposition to his state DissedByBush Dec 2011 #29

"As an atheist movement bent on spreading atheism in itself" - Yes. That was the stated objective. humblebum Dec 2011 #31

Again, because the religious were thought to be a threat to Stalin's power DissedByBush Dec 2011 #34

Much was done specifically to impose atheism and in the name of atheism as the the facts prove. And, humblebum Dec 2011 #35

And the process did not just happen under Stalin. The "Storming the Heavens" humblebum Dec 2011 #37

Other way around DissedByBush Dec 2011 #48

If communism had been the "purpose", then all of the signs and slogans would have humblebum Dec 2011 #49

People were killed because they adhered to something DissedByBush Dec 2011 #51

And a huge part of it was done in the name of atheism, not Communism. That humblebum Dec 2011 #52

If the fact that entire villages were overrun and the religious structure in the villages destroyed humblebum Dec 2011 #56

I applaud your effort, but you are dealing with someone who does not want to hear what you say. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #38

Yes, objective proof is a bit hard to accept for some, even when it is overwhelming. nt humblebum Dec 2011 #39

See what I mean? cleanhippie Dec 2011 #41

You guys are straying off the subject of the OP icymist Dec 2011 #42

I agree 100%. It was hijacked with the same old, tired nonsense, that poster spews in R&T. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #43

Where is there any mention of Kim as a deity? Marxist-Leninist governments are categorically atheist humblebum Dec 2011 #14

Research "cult of personality" regarding Jong-il and Il-sung n/t DissedByBush Dec 2011 #16

Cult of personality is not deity. It is reverence for the achievements and greatness of the person humblebum Dec 2011 #18

Yes, deification DissedByBush Dec 2011 #19

The country officially declares itself to be state atheist. Always has. humblebum Dec 2011 #21

The DPRK also officially declares itself to be democratic DissedByBush Dec 2011 #22

According to Kim Il-sung,"man is the master of everything and decides everything." humblebum Dec 2011 #23

Oh yes, leaders always live by their own words DissedByBush Dec 2011 #26

Now you are grasping at straws. humblebum Dec 2011 #28

And you're believing the words of maniacs over everyone else DissedByBush Dec 2011 #30

It's also a government based on Marxist-Leninist ideals and installed into power by Stalin humblebum Dec 2011 #32

As you note above, they renounced Stalin and came up with their own homegrown idea DissedByBush Dec 2011 #33

In that case Lincoln and Washington were gods. But in truth, their constitution still humblebum Dec 2011 #36

Both of you guys have strayed off topic icymist Dec 2011 #40

When it is being implied that monotheism and religion in general are responsible humblebum Dec 2011 #44

The absence of mentioning atheism did not mean that the author was ignorant to violence by such. icymist Dec 2011 #45

It's not so simple DissedByBush Dec 2011 #50

A major declaration of Lenin concerned the importance of establishing state atheism. humblebum Dec 2011 #53

So that the state will be god DissedByBush Dec 2011 #54

In that case, atheism is a religion. Regardless, there is no philosophical difference between humblebum Dec 2011 #55

"The USSR still would have done what it did even without atheism because it had a state purpose." humblebum Dec 2011 #57

Fuck all of that. Don't you think a single god would create another just to fuck? HopeHoops Dec 2011 #9

All-mighty God tama Dec 2011 #46

The subject of the criticism is monotheism, therefore you must expect humblebum Dec 2011 #47