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Ecumenist

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20. You know Freepless, I'm dealing with cancer as we speak and I just got home from watching
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 05:26 AM
Jan 2012

the New Year's Eve Fireworks and it's funny that I logged on to read your post. My husband and I were thanking God for the time He's given me, especially considering that there are so many others who didn't make it this far, though their situation were nowhere near as dire as my prognosis. We were talking about my roommate who had had a complete pelvic exenternetion and she was a newly wed who was 19 years old and with a newborn baby. We were wondering if she was still here as I'm sure that her family had as much desire and faith for her to survive as mine had for me. I don't think that the faith or the lack of enough of it determines the survival of people. If it were, noone would ever die from AIDS, cancer, miscarriage, murder or any number of horrible things other than after a long, healthy and happy life in the arms of a loving family.

As far as her anger at God? I think he's offended if we aren't angry when we lose something so precious and yet, refuse to allow ourselves to experience a perfectly human and understandable emotion. After all, he gave us free will as well as making us in His image, so why would it be a sin to be angry at God for taking the most precious thing we could have here on earth? (And this is coming from a pretty strong Christian). I have undergone travails in my life, losing both my mother and mother in law as well as two babies in 4 years. However, I don't believe that he's coldhearted enough to put us through a horrific experience just to see our response.

My personal belief is that children who die early are given the chance to return to the same parents. I've just seen too many cases where there were no other explanation. As much as she wanted that baby to stay, the best thing for the sweet soul was to be released from a body diseased and damaged beyond repair. Dealing with my own battle with a form of cancer has really shown me what's it like to be on the other side of the fence, so to speak. The one thing I am completely certain of is that she will see her baby again, whether it's because she chooses to reincarnate here or when she meets her when her time here is over.

It seems as though you may be warring with yourself as to what you should do, take your cue from her. Sit quietly and listen to her when she needs it, have a hug ready when necessary and shoulder for her to cry on. Your heart will lead you and that kind of common sense love can never be learned from books.

In the meantime, you, your friend and her family have the prayers of me and my family. I thank God for people like you who love so purely that you ask others how to be a better friend and sister. Luckily, we don't have to believe in God despite what other so-called "christians" tell you because, as mother Abigail so famously said on "The Stand" when told that one of the characters informed her that he didn't believe in God.."That's okay because God believes in you!". As far as I'm concerned, no greater proof of the reality of God and the fact that life goes on exists than the love and concern of people like you Freepless. Religion means nothing, it's just force of habit. One can be religious about the way one brushes one's teeth. True belief and grace are people who well and truly care at the darkest hour.

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What I appreciated the most... OneGrassRoot Dec 2011 #1
I do get that, but simply remaining silent while she is pouring her heart out freeplessinseattle Dec 2011 #2
I don't have insight about the religious aspect... OneGrassRoot Dec 2011 #4
Thank you, it does help to know that simply being silent isn't necessarily freeplessinseattle Dec 2011 #9
Comforting doesn't necessarily mean advice-giving Remember Me Dec 2011 #15
i'm of the same mind as OGR. Howler Dec 2011 #3
Thank you. I guess i just feel that if I remain silent freeplessinseattle Dec 2011 #6
maybe she feels more comfortable telling you that WolverineDG Dec 2011 #12
Whoa ! Whoa! Whoa! Howler Dec 2011 #19
I agree with OGR and Howler Tumbulu Dec 2011 #5
Thank you, that is a good idea, I will ponder on some ideas freeplessinseattle Dec 2011 #7
Perhaps ask what she needs and listen Matariki Dec 2011 #8
she says she wants to try to process things but doesn't know how freeplessinseattle Dec 2011 #10
Yeah, that's really really tough Matariki Dec 2011 #13
Thank you Matariki! and get this, her daughter was signed up for a promising study freeplessinseattle Dec 2011 #16
Probably the worst thing given to my dad & me when my mom died was WolverineDG Dec 2011 #11
After my dad died when I was a kid rosesaylavee Dec 2011 #14
Be her friend. BlueToTheBone Dec 2011 #17
Grieving PADemD Dec 2011 #18
You know Freepless, I'm dealing with cancer as we speak and I just got home from watching Ecumenist Jan 2012 #20
I'm so sorry to hear that. Cleita Jan 2012 #22
Thank you Cleita!! Ecumenist Jan 2012 #25
what ecumenist said magical thyme Jan 2012 #23
If you stop believing in God, then there is no one to blame would be a cynic's answer. Cleita Jan 2012 #21
Well Said, Cleita! Ecumenist Jan 2012 #24
Here's my two cents. SheilaT Jan 2012 #26
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