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Eko

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11. What do you mean by dead turbines?
Sun Oct 1, 2017, 04:38 PM
Oct 2017
"I think there are better ways than windmills to reduce our use of fossil fuels."
Yes, you have told us what your ideas for this are, unfortunately they are not workable nor desirable for the rest of us.
"These giant wind turbines encourage major capital investments in a type of natural gas generated electricity that may not be desirable."
Yes, there is a study that suggests this "Bridging the Gap: Do Fast Reacting Fossil Technologies Facilitate Renewable Energy Diffusion?", but they also state this "Verdolini emphasized this merely describes the past — not necessarily the future. That’s a critical distinction, because the study also notes that if we reach a time when fast-responding energy storage is prevalent — when, say, large-scale grid batteries store solar or wind-generated energy and can discharge it instantaneously when there’s a need — then the reliance on gas may no longer be so prevalent."
You using this argument creates a question.
If we didn't have the renewable energy to use when we can what would they use instead? The obvious answer is more Natural gas plants as Nuclear is unfortunately in the decline worldwide.
"When we install these wind turbines are we overlooking other ways of reducing fossil fuel use? Are we committing ourselves to power sources that may not be desirable in the long run? "
I think we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
"I liken fossil fuels to smoking. To quit smoking you have to quit smoking. "
Plenty of people quit slowly, or using the patch which would be a good analogy to renewable energy vs fossil energy. The patch is better for you, better for the environment and still fulfills the need.
"It's possible I'm too fond of birds and bats and windy hillsides unscarred by human industry. "
Yes, and I hate the birds and bats and hillsides unscarred by humanity, I want to kill and destroy all of them. What a junk argument. What should we do? Get rid of electricity all together? Go back to our sewage going into rivers untreated? Use horses and unpaved roads? Have archaic hospitals with no electricity?
"If we are building wind turbines to power the air conditioners of big box stores, or immense computer server farms tracking "consumers" and pushing targeted advertising, then maybe we're going about things in the wrong way. "
You know what they are also building them for, people like you and me to use things called computers or phones or tablets that can write things and send them to huge server farms that then connect to websites where we can debate things like this. Right here.






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Some new stuff. Eko Sep 2017 #1
The trouble is that people see wind turbines as a symbol of progress... hunter Sep 2017 #2
I hadn't thought of it that way but you're right. NNadir Sep 2017 #3
Wow Eko Sep 2017 #4
I live in California. The hills are littered with dead Enron-era wind turbines... hunter Sep 2017 #6
What do you mean by dead turbines? Eko Oct 2017 #11
Here, too, is another picture from Nature, of the realities of the wind industry. NNadir Sep 2017 #5
Yes, this is much better. Eko Sep 2017 #7
Here you go, way awesome. Eko Sep 2017 #8
The toxic wastes of a careless high energy industrial society suck. hunter Oct 2017 #10
Yup, Eko Oct 2017 #12
How about arsenic? Arsenic has a half life of forever. hunter Oct 2017 #13
Nope. Eko Oct 2017 #14
Seriously? You think the arsenic goes away? hunter Oct 2017 #16
Well, Im sure Eko Oct 2017 #19
The same sorts of processes that decrease the bioavailability of toxins like arsenic and lead... hunter Oct 2017 #20
This was your statement. Eko Oct 2017 #23
I would ask you to take a second Eko Oct 2017 #15
I'm some kind of quixotic Luddite and evolutionary biologist. hunter Oct 2017 #17
Yes you have said that many times. Eko Oct 2017 #18
Except they don't reduce the use of gas. hunter Oct 2017 #21
Gas is profitable without wind. Eko Oct 2017 #22
You'd be okay with more gas. I get it. hunter Oct 2017 #24
Wow. Eko Oct 2017 #25
So what? Eko Oct 2017 #26
Your enthusiasm for solar and wind augmented gas power plants is clear. hunter Oct 2017 #27
Yes, because somewhere I am sure Eko Oct 2017 #28
I'd happily see Ivanpah removed, and the landscape restored to the best of human ability. hunter Oct 2017 #29
Natural gas is successful without solar and wind. Eko Oct 2017 #30
We are not "buying time." hunter Oct 2017 #31
Of course we are. Eko Oct 2017 #32
Going back to the original argument... hunter Oct 2017 #33
Of course you are because it's not about global warming Eko Oct 2017 #34
Welcome to the twenty first century. It's a messy place... hunter Oct 2017 #35
Not afraid. Eko Oct 2017 #36
It would be silly to be afraid. hunter Oct 2017 #37
And I am not a silly person. Eko Oct 2017 #38
Im not even going to post the pictures from this. Eko Sep 2017 #9
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