Atheists & Agnostics

who are quite often not really Democrats but Greens, Socialists and what have you, don't like her. In broader surveys of real world Democrats she generally does very well, and tellingly better among those who call themselves liberal Dems rather than moderate or Conservative Dems. It's only in web-based echo chambers where the furthest fringes predominate (how many people outside DU, or outside fringe groups, do you meet who want to end capitalism? Yet it is a common and possibly plurality view here).

As to her bona fides for secular folks we will be waiting generations for a front-line politician to espouse that cause, or even withhold from espousing the majoritarian Christian cause. When about half would never even consider voting for a non-believer regardless of other opinions, it's idiotic to not kowtow to the godbotherers as a national politician, or a politician anywhere except the very bluest areas. Even then, as Pete Stark shows, you would be vulnerable to theo-hate even from fellow Dems. I worry more about how much religio-crazy stuff they would either advocate or allow, and HRC seems about par for the Dem course there. Anybody much better a la Frank or Sinema would stand zero chance at her level.