Atheists & Agnostics

AlbertCat

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19. religious based morals of Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King

Wed Apr 15, 2015, 02:19 PM

Apr 2015

Just because they may claim their morals come from some religion (did they?) doesn't mean they wouldn't have been just as moral had they been atheists. And, of course, Lincoln COULDN'T be an atheist and get elected. I'm sure it was even worse than today in the 19th century for such things. King's world in the 50s and 60s is also much more aggressive against atheists than today.

There's no reason to believe their morals are "religious based".... and of course their oppositions also claimed their morals had religion behind then as well.

Morals and religion have little to do with each other in reality. But of course in the 19th century and in the black communities of the 1950s, that was not the zeitgeist.

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