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Novara

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6. It's not about free speech

Mon May 4, 2015, 08:14 AM

May 2015

It's about inciting a reaction to what one religion considers hate speech. And Pamela Geller's organization is considered a hate group, by the way. In no way am I defending the shooters but she absolutely knew this would provoke a reaction - hence the over-the-top security measures at the event.

Here's a hypothetical: what if someone had a "mock Jesus" cartoon contest and a couple of good ol Christian boys showed up and started shooting, then were killed? I am positive there would be a very different reaction to Christians killed while defending Jesus with their guns. This should be no different, but Islam is the only religion we're allowed to hate here, it would seem.

So it's okay to kill those who are angry at mocking their prophet, but only if they're Muslim. Right?

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What frustrates me about this Texas shooting. [View all] Goblinmonger May 2015 OP

Yeah, it's awful. PeaceNikki May 2015 #1

Charlie Hebdo all over again. trotsky May 2015 #2

Spot on nil desperandum May 2015 #4

And lost in it all... trotsky May 2015 #5

Nauseating... Ron Obvious May 2015 #3

It's not about free speech Novara May 2015 #6

Even hate groups have free speech in this country. Goblinmonger May 2015 #7

What 'very different reaction' do you think would happen? muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #36

So it's okay to kill those who are angry at mocking their prophet, but only if they're Muslim. Right AlbertCat May 2015 #53

I think that part of the outrage is that this particular event seems to have basically been a trap enki23 May 2015 #8

Exactly Novara May 2015 #9

So you are comparing Muslims to a bear? Goblinmonger May 2015 #10

Don't put words in my mouth Novara May 2015 #13

Then feel free to explain your comparison. Goblinmonger May 2015 #19

Nope. Novara May 2015 #24

First of all, you used the word "like" so, specifically, it's a simile. That English lesson is free. Goblinmonger May 2015 #25

So who's the bear if not the Muslims? AlbertCat May 2015 #54

keeping up with the victim blaming? Lordquinton May 2015 #29

You're literally comparing Muslims to animals here who instinctively lash out at anyone who insults AlbertCat May 2015 #55

She didn't specify that she didn't mean all muslims Lordquinton May 2015 #58

If you prick me, do I not bleed? Binkie The Clown May 2015 #11

Most people have the intelligence.... Novara May 2015 #14

And if somebody smacks me in the face every time I speak my mind on politics, Binkie The Clown May 2015 #15

Again, that's not what I said. Novara May 2015 #16

I DID pick my battle. And this is it. Free speech. n/t Binkie The Clown May 2015 #17

No, you said it. You don't WANT it to be said that way, but that's what you said. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #23

Would you ask Dr. King and John Lewis if provoking a known and expected violent response muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #38

You're just doubling down on the horrible statements, aren't you. Goblinmonger May 2015 #20

So, since the bear analogy flopped... instead... Muslims are.. stupid? Ok. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #22

You know what? Too fucking bad. Arugula Latte May 2015 #33

However nil desperandum May 2015 #18

Worst analogy all day. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #21

so basically muslims can't control themselves so we have to specially careful around them Warren Stupidity May 2015 #39

"a trap intended to accomplish exactly this"? What's your evidence for that? muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #37

there is no evidence for that, it is the current bullshit talking point to justify victim blaming. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #40

Here's where I reply to the shit you seem to be trying to say. enki23 May 2015 #42

Just to inject some facts: Geller is Jewish, Wilders is not religious muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #46

Oh ffs, the people in their hate groups are almost all Christians. enki23 May 2015 #48

just so I understand: you would approve of Geller being shot. Is that right? Warren Stupidity May 2015 #50

Jesus, are you really that small? enki23 May 2015 #61

Don't be dense. enki23 May 2015 #43

Don't insult people. muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #45

Do you prefer "willfully ignorant?" enki23 May 2015 #47

I have rarely seen someone argue so ineffectively in the A&A group as you are doing now muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #49

Arguing ineffectively. Well, I guess I'll cop to that one. enki23 May 2015 #59

My problem is your insults of anyone who doesn't jump to conclusions with you muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #62

Crazy wingzeroday May 2015 #12

You sure love your strawmen. Novara May 2015 #26

Show me where I have used anything but YOUR OWN WORDS Goblinmonger May 2015 #27

Yeah, I'd bail too if I were you. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #28

It's not our fault you tried to compare Muslims to wild animals. AlbertCat May 2015 #56

You're right! You are wasting your time. Mostly because, mr blur May 2015 #41

I wonder. If militant atheists were really militant ... LiberalAndProud May 2015 #30

Wilders was on the Al-Queda hit list. onager May 2015 #31

Me too, onager. beam me up scottie May 2015 #35

Once again we have the sad spectacle of people on the left apologizing for Warren Stupidity May 2015 #52

What do you imagine you are defending them from? enki23 May 2015 #60

Yeah, fuck it, I'm going to try to stay out now, the crazy has taken over. PeaceNikki May 2015 #32

PeaceNikki you kicked some serious ass in GD today. beam me up scottie May 2015 #34

Aw, that means a lot coming from trolly vermin like you! PeaceNikki May 2015 #44

Well how's that working out for you? Warren Stupidity May 2015 #51

Sad but true. Can't even retreat to here to escape it. (nt) LostOne4Ever May 2015 #57