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Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
20. I was about to get into that.
Tue May 5, 2015, 12:07 PM
May 2015

The problem is that the believers cannot propose a tangible definition of this god thing, in particular how it interacts with the physical universe. If the alleged deities do not interact it is as interesting a question as "does Harry Potter exist". If they do interact then we could then possibly prove the existence of gods by observing interactions that could only be explained by god. On the other hand if all of those classes of interactions can be demonstrated to be caused by other factors, if all the testable claims of "only gods do this" are falsified by providing other explanations, the best explanation of that is that there are no gods, as adding "god did it" when other simpler explanations are fully explanatory is superfluous.

Thus the hiding out in the gaps of the god-promoters, desperately hoping that they can continue to assert that their master of the universe must surely be the answer for some unknown aspect of the universe or other. Ultimately it is a dishonest game. The gods that were claimed to exist before the enlightenment destroyed the ancient cosmology were the ever-present deities of this planet, this planet was the center of a very small universe, a shell around the planet itself, and the gods managed the affairs of the world. The events that occurred on this planet were the handiwork of these gods. That world view died, well it is still dying (not quite dead yet) - it lingers on for example in creationism, in animist religions, but it is intellectually dead in the modern world.

The religious apologists have been busy for the last 500 years or so inventing ever more convoluted and dishonest arguments for why their dumb dead gods could continue to exist, and we are stuck with the exasperating task of having to admit that yes, we cannot prove absolutely that your easter bunny doesn't exist, but as proposing it does explains nothing and serves no value and hinders wider comprehension of the ever expanding reality of what we do know about the universe, it would be best for all if you would stop already with the bullshit. It isn't helping.

Nepal.... mountain grammy May 2015 #1
God is a theory ... GeorgeGist May 2015 #2
Not really, any more than religionistas can know that it does. mr blur May 2015 #3
Why is God different from edhopper May 2015 #4
I'm not saying God is an alien but, progressoid May 2015 #23
As Epicurus would say edhopper May 2015 #26
There's a particular defender of the faith here on DU... trotsky May 2015 #7
You will notice edhopper May 2015 #12
So-called "strong atheism" skepticscott May 2015 #5
I guess that would depend edhopper May 2015 #8
We can definitely know that certain gods don't exist. trotsky May 2015 #6
No RussBLib May 2015 #9
Also, the cranks who make this nonsense up are always smart - mr blur May 2015 #10
I was about to get into that. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #20
That is very well said edhopper May 2015 #29
he is "outside the physical Universe. AlbertCat May 2015 #40
Rec post. beam me up scottie May 2015 #30
Logically self-contradictory ones only whatthehey May 2015 #11
Thanks edhopper May 2015 #13
True enough. But we have to consider Flatland whatthehey May 2015 #14
I''ve read Gamow edhopper May 2015 #15
I don't know fir sure that there is no god, but Binkie The Clown May 2015 #19
The bugger is, not entirely no whatthehey May 2015 #25
Another great post! beam me up scottie May 2015 #31
invisible Snake God spirit AlbertCat May 2015 #41
I know that God doesn't exist. Curmudgeoness May 2015 #16
That's true edhopper May 2015 #17
Steady State Universe? Binkie The Clown May 2015 #18
Not really edhopper May 2015 #27
We assume that velocity is the only thing that causes red shift AlbertCat May 2015 #42
You're very probably right. Binkie The Clown May 2015 #43
Let's leave the large cosmological questions for now. edhopper May 2015 #44
I agree on a practical level, Binkie The Clown May 2015 #46
True edhopper May 2015 #47
I can know that XYZ claims of specific gods are bullshit. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #21
Wow! salimbag May 2015 #22
your welcome. edhopper May 2015 #28
Of course not. LiberalAndProud May 2015 #24
Nothing to add, everyone else has already noted why it's impossible to argue the point. beam me up scottie May 2015 #32
impossible to argue with believers edhopper May 2015 #34
Agreed! beam me up scottie May 2015 #35
Thus i posted this here edhopper May 2015 #37
I have seen no evidence that god exists. Manifestor_of_Light May 2015 #33
Same here. And all believers seem to have two gods... onager May 2015 #36
It's like the psychics who have edhopper May 2015 #38
Isn't there a third one? You know, the one that shows up on toast... truebrit71 May 2015 #39
LOL! That reminds me of "I, Claudius." onager May 2015 #45
No. Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #48
That is probably a better term for it. edhopper May 2015 #49
Absolutely. Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #50
So it would come down to how edhopper May 2015 #51
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