Atheists & Agnostics

AlbertCat

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42. We assume that velocity is the only thing that causes red shift

Tue May 5, 2015, 10:28 PM

May 2015

Actually...we don't.

Velocity is different from expanding space. We assume we see red shift because of expanding space, not velocity. That's why eventually things will be moving away from everything else faster than the speed of light.... because it's not velocity.

And we have math to help us realize these concepts... and we know math is real.

And the expanding is everywhere. The space between you and your PC is expanding. The space between the atoms in your body is expanding.

And space expanding is not like a balloon being blown up either. The universe is not expanding into some kind of space outside it.... it's just expanding... period. But that is almost impossible to "get" because our only experience with expansion is into the space already created by an expanding universe.

"The weak link is the assumption that velocity is the only thing that causes red shift." No more weak link!

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Can we "know" God doesn't exist. [View all] edhopper May 2015 OP

Nepal.... mountain grammy May 2015 #1

God is a theory ... GeorgeGist May 2015 #2

Not really, any more than religionistas can know that it does. mr blur May 2015 #3

Why is God different from edhopper May 2015 #4

I'm not saying God is an alien but, progressoid May 2015 #23

As Epicurus would say edhopper May 2015 #26

There's a particular defender of the faith here on DU... trotsky May 2015 #7

You will notice edhopper May 2015 #12

So-called "strong atheism" skepticscott May 2015 #5

I guess that would depend edhopper May 2015 #8

We can definitely know that certain gods don't exist. trotsky May 2015 #6

No RussBLib May 2015 #9

Also, the cranks who make this nonsense up are always smart - mr blur May 2015 #10

I was about to get into that. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #20

That is very well said edhopper May 2015 #29

he is "outside the physical Universe. AlbertCat May 2015 #40

Rec post. beam me up scottie May 2015 #30

Logically self-contradictory ones only whatthehey May 2015 #11

Thanks edhopper May 2015 #13

True enough. But we have to consider Flatland whatthehey May 2015 #14

I''ve read Gamow edhopper May 2015 #15

I don't know fir sure that there is no god, but Binkie The Clown May 2015 #19

The bugger is, not entirely no whatthehey May 2015 #25

Another great post! beam me up scottie May 2015 #31

invisible Snake God spirit AlbertCat May 2015 #41

I know that God doesn't exist. Curmudgeoness May 2015 #16

That's true edhopper May 2015 #17

Steady State Universe? Binkie The Clown May 2015 #18

Not really edhopper May 2015 #27

We assume that velocity is the only thing that causes red shift AlbertCat May 2015 #42

You're very probably right. Binkie The Clown May 2015 #43

Let's leave the large cosmological questions for now. edhopper May 2015 #44

I agree on a practical level, Binkie The Clown May 2015 #46

True edhopper May 2015 #47

I can know that XYZ claims of specific gods are bullshit. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #21

Wow! salimbag May 2015 #22

your welcome. edhopper May 2015 #28

Of course not. LiberalAndProud May 2015 #24

Nothing to add, everyone else has already noted why it's impossible to argue the point. beam me up scottie May 2015 #32

impossible to argue with believers edhopper May 2015 #34

Agreed! beam me up scottie May 2015 #35

Thus i posted this here edhopper May 2015 #37

I have seen no evidence that god exists. Manifestor_of_Light May 2015 #33

Same here. And all believers seem to have two gods... onager May 2015 #36

It's like the psychics who have edhopper May 2015 #38

Isn't there a third one? You know, the one that shows up on toast... truebrit71 May 2015 #39

LOL! That reminds me of "I, Claudius." onager May 2015 #45

No. Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #48

That is probably a better term for it. edhopper May 2015 #49

Absolutely. Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #50

So it would come down to how edhopper May 2015 #51