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Major Nikon

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23. Many firm believers exit seminary school atheists or other non-Christian faiths
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 10:12 PM
Jun 2015

That's what happened to my dad. The more he learned about Christianity, the more he realized it was a big lie and he became a UU minister.

The one person who had the most influence in developing early Christianity wasn't Christ, but rather Paul the self-appointed apostle who never even knew Jesus. Jesus and the actual 12 apostles were observant Jews and never wanted to be anything else. The religion they developed was simply a segment of Judaism. Paul sold (literally) the promise of eternal life to the gentiles, who were for the most part Romans and had more wealth than the Jews. The problem he had was Jesus' real apostles knew that in order to be an observant Jew, one had to be circumcised per Genesis. This was part of the covenant with god. Paul abandoned the covenant out of necessity because he knew his followers weren't going to get circumcised and in the process created a whole new religion that suited his circumstance. Out went the requirements to follow god's law and in with the new singular requirement of accepting Christ as your "lord and savior". The idea of worshiping Christ was abhorrent to Jesus' real apostles because it breaks the first 3 commandments. Jews don't worship the Messiah, which is exactly what Jesus claimed to be(with a very poor Messianic claim, but that's another story). This put him at odds with the real apostles, but eventually he won out because he was recruiting a lot more people to this new religion. The rest is history.

We can easily multi-task and do both! onager May 2015 #1
I have a friend who's a much more vocal atheist than I am Rob H. May 2015 #2
That's exactly it for me. I am a recovered Evangelical Christian. PeaceNikki May 2015 #3
All too well. Solly Mack May 2015 #4
Have you taken a look at... SoLeftIAmRight May 2015 #5
What it means to believe edhopper May 2015 #9
Really? SoLeftIAmRight May 2015 #11
No edhopper May 2015 #16
Aren't you the one who said "atheist are unable to reason" and that we "bore" you? beam me up scottie May 2015 #13
The post hit the front page - did not notice the group SoLeftIAmRight May 2015 #14
Ah, that got your attention. Good. beam me up scottie May 2015 #15
This was on the front page? edhopper May 2015 #17
It might have been on the Greatest Threads page SoLeftIAmRight May 2015 #20
I wasn't complaining edhopper May 2015 #22
And have YOU ever heard the expression - mr blur May 2015 #18
Wow - what a jump SoLeftIAmRight May 2015 #19
Indeed nil desperandum May 2015 #6
I think I understand it RussBLib May 2015 #7
And we're the ones expected to put ourselves to all that trouble because ... ? eppur_se_muova May 2015 #8
I understand it better than any religious person. That's why I'm not a believer. Tobin S. May 2015 #10
May the Flying Spaghetti Monster forgive you all for not believing in It. Yorktown May 2015 #12
It's easier to claim your opponent doesn't understand you... Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #21
Many firm believers exit seminary school atheists or other non-Christian faiths Major Nikon Jun 2015 #23
And we still don't know where edhopper Jun 2015 #24
None of the canonical gospels were written by those in which they are attributed Major Nikon Jun 2015 #25
Yes decades later, edhopper Jun 2015 #26
Some or all of the cannonal gospels were originally authored in Greek Major Nikon Jun 2015 #27
Wait, your saying a religious leader edhopper Jun 2015 #28
Money and/or power Major Nikon Jun 2015 #29
and here I've been told edhopper Jun 2015 #30
The official version is the holy ghost was whispering in his ear Major Nikon Jun 2015 #31
And changed his name for some reason. edhopper Jun 2015 #32
Better call Saul! Major Nikon Jun 2015 #33
Ha Ha edhopper Jun 2015 #34
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