Atheists & Agnostics

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A.A.® Guidelines
Cooperating with Court, D.W.I. and Similar Programs
from G.S.O., Box 459, Grand Central Station, New York, NY 10163
http://www.aa.org/assets/en_US/mg-05_coopwithcourt.pdf

where it is suggested that A.A. members create local Cooperation With the Professional Community (C.P.C.) committees and provide the courts with a list of open A.A. meetings. And suggesting ways that A.A. groups and members can help enforce court-ordered attendance, by signing attendance slips for example, and even suggesting other schemes for verifying coercee attendance for groups that don't want to sign attendance slips (See section "E. Proof of attendance at A.A. meetings.&quot . In other words, enrolling A.A. members to act as agents of government.

[font color = blue]>>AA wants its members to WANT to go to AA meetings, NOT be subject to Court Orders to do so. When an AA Group finds out about such orders, they write to the Judge to stop issuing such orders. Most Judge comply, for the AA position is well known (And the AA NOT being a party to the Court Order could in theory disobey it for ordering the person ordered to the AA meeting out of the meeting). <<[/font]

Sounds fictional to me, based on my experience and in innumerable A.A. and online groups where we discuss these things.

[font color = blue]>>Please note, unless the AA is named in the Court Order to have someone attend their meeting, the AA can tell someone ORDERED to go to AA meetings that they are NOT permitted to attend the AA meeting. <<[/font]

They can, but I've never heard that happen.

[font color = blue]>>Furthermore, it is hard to enforce such orders. <<[/font]

No its not. Unless you want to forge your attendance card signatures. Or have others you know sign false statements.

[font color = blue]>>AA meetings have NO formal agenda, last names are not used. You do get tokens and other evidence of attendance but you could tell a Judge you did attend a meeting when you did not and there is no way the Judge can show you did not. <<[/font]

No formal agenda? How about indoctrination into the 12 step cult? And as for "tokens and other evidence of attendance" how about signature cards? Or other means of verifying attendance like described in that pamphlet at the top of this post?

As for not ordering people to A.A., please see #140.