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In reply to the discussion: Michael Pollan as GMO ‘denialist’ dupes credulous New York Times [View all]proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)19. The science-based links are at odds with the business-based links. Got cognitive dissonance?
http://gmwatch.org/index.php/news/archive/2013/15032-expert-who-predicted-global-economic-crash-thinks-risks-from-gmos-too-great
Expert who predicted global economic crash thinks risks from GMOs too great
September 4, 2013
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Last week the maverick biologist and billionaire entrepreneur Craig Venter tweeted: "Golden rice vitamin A could prevent blindness in 250000 children/year. Anti GMO people check your morals."
The global risk expert and the Distinguished Professor of Risk Engineering at New York University, Nassim Nicholas Taleb, responded on Twitter:
He also told Venter, a synthetic biologist with massive vested interests in the acceptance of genetic engineering and no background in risk (nor toxicology for that matter!):
"Fat-tailed risks" means that when things go bad, they can go catastrophically bad.
Taleb has outlined his strong concerns about GM before. Below is what he wrote a couple of months ago. There are graphs in the original text, which are available at the link.
Expert who predicted global economic crash thinks risks from GMOs too great
September 4, 2013
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Last week the maverick biologist and billionaire entrepreneur Craig Venter tweeted: "Golden rice vitamin A could prevent blindness in 250000 children/year. Anti GMO people check your morals."
READ HERE: https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/372779980230369280
The global risk expert and the Distinguished Professor of Risk Engineering at New York University, Nassim Nicholas Taleb, responded on Twitter:
"Pro GMO people, check your understanding of 1) Risk & probability and 2) invoking 'morals' as a tactic while endangering people."
"Point 2: There are other alternatives with controlled & known side effects."
He also told Venter, a synthetic biologist with massive vested interests in the acceptance of genetic engineering and no background in risk (nor toxicology for that matter!):
"@JCVenter In other words it is not rigorous to make something with fat-tailed risks look like the 'only' alternative to [blindness] when it is not."
"Fat-tailed risks" means that when things go bad, they can go catastrophically bad.
Taleb has outlined his strong concerns about GM before. Below is what he wrote a couple of months ago. There are graphs in the original text, which are available at the link.
EXTRACT: Now, for mathematical reasons (a mechanism called the "Lindy Effect", linked to the relationship between time and fragility, mother nature is vastly "wiser" so to speak than humans, as time has a lot of value in detecting what is breakable and what is not. Time is also a bullshit detector. Nothing humans have introduced in modern times has made us unconditionally better without unpredictable side effects, and ones that are usually detected with considerable delays (transfats, steroids, tobacco, Thalidomide, etc.)
...GMOs... their risk is not local. Invoking the risk of "famine" is a poor strategy, no different from urging people to play Russian roulette in order to get out of poverty. And calling the GMO approach "scientific" betrays a very poor indeed warped understanding of probabilistic payoffs and risk management.
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Ok, let's look to the scientists for safety of 'food additives,' where most are exposed to GMOs.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2013
#1
YOU: Reject Pollan on GMOs, not a scientist. ME: Fine. Read this knowing that GMOs = food additives.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2013
#6
Food additives derived from GMO corn, GMO soy, GMO canola, GMO cottonseed are indeed 'GMOs.'
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2013
#11
I said you were in la la land, and then you further prove it with your response.
HuckleB
Oct 2013
#13
The science-based links are at odds with the business-based links. Got cognitive dissonance?
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2013
#19
SEE POST #1, please note depth and breadth of analysis of currently abysmal state of affairs.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2013
#21
Hardly. Here are all the links separated from the news aggregating sites you're so fond of dissing.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2013
#23
That translates into a whole lotta recent science w zero relevance of personal attacks on M.Pollan.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2013
#24
The update was to my own post which lit up the yellow tab for MY POSTS and linked to this old post.
proverbialwisdom
Jan 2014
#48
PRESS RELEASE > Environmental Chemicals Harm Reproductive Health: Ob-Gyns Advocate for Policy Change
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2013
#2
Nope, The American Society for Reproductive Medicine & The American College of Obstetricians and Gyn
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2013
#7
GMO's are mainly consumed as food additives which scientists, not Pollan, are assessing in my links.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2013
#12
No need to be rude. The whole world (slightly exaggerated) apart from the US is wrong? Snort. nt
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2013
#16
Oh, please, it's a PRESS RELEASE backed by 57,000 ob-gyns + 7.000 reproductive medicine specialists.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2013
#8
RECOMMENDED Press Statement, along with Pollan's brilliant 'Food Rules: An Eater's Manual.'
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2013
#26
Check it out. DISCLAIMER: Recognized experts, although I have no familiarity with Robbins or event.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2013
#31
Please see http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2000-09-03/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-NEW-PROTEINS
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2013
#33
Ah, I see you've posted from the highly respected science magazine Elle
EvolveOrConvolve
Oct 2013
#35
Go figure. Your source cynically parses words or is woefully uninformed.
proverbialwisdom
Oct 2013
#38
"This is not a hit piece on Michael Pollan" - I'd hate to read what the author does consider
muriel_volestrangler
Oct 2013
#40
If that's your understanding, may I suggest due diligence necessitates additional reading?
proverbialwisdom
Jan 2014
#49