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proverbialwisdom

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19. The science-based links are at odds with the business-based links. Got cognitive dissonance?
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 10:41 AM
Oct 2013
http://gmwatch.org/index.php/news/archive/2013/15032-expert-who-predicted-global-economic-crash-thinks-risks-from-gmos-too-great

Expert who predicted global economic crash thinks risks from GMOs too great
September 4, 2013


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Last week the maverick biologist and billionaire entrepreneur Craig Venter tweeted: "Golden rice vitamin A could prevent blindness in 250000 children/year. Anti GMO people check your morals."

READ HERE: https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/372779980230369280

The global risk expert and the Distinguished Professor of Risk Engineering at New York University, Nassim Nicholas Taleb, responded on Twitter:

"Pro GMO people, check your understanding of 1) Risk & probability and 2) invoking 'morals' as a tactic while endangering people."

"Point 2: There are other alternatives with controlled & known side effects."

He also told Venter, a synthetic biologist with massive vested interests in the acceptance of genetic engineering and no background in risk (nor toxicology for that matter!):

"@JCVenter In other words it is not rigorous to make something with fat-tailed risks look like the 'only' alternative to [blindness] when it is not."

"Fat-tailed risks" means that when things go bad, they can go catastrophically bad.

Taleb has outlined his strong concerns about GM before. Below is what he wrote a couple of months ago. There are graphs in the original text, which are available at the link.

EXTRACT: Now, for mathematical reasons (a mechanism called the "Lindy Effect&quot , linked to the relationship between time and fragility, mother nature is vastly "wiser" so to speak than humans, as time has a lot of value in detecting what is breakable and what is not. Time is also a bullshit detector. Nothing humans have introduced in modern times has made us unconditionally better without unpredictable side effects, and ones that are usually detected with considerable delays (transfats, steroids, tobacco, Thalidomide, etc.)

...GMOs... their risk is not local. Invoking the risk of "famine" is a poor strategy, no different from urging people to play Russian roulette in order to get out of poverty. And calling the GMO approach "scientific" betrays a very poor — indeed warped — understanding of probabilistic payoffs and risk management.

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Ok, let's look to the scientists for safety of 'food additives,' where most are exposed to GMOs. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #1
Got Gish Gallop? HuckleB Oct 2013 #4
YOU: Reject Pollan on GMOs, not a scientist. ME: Fine. Read this knowing that GMOs = food additives. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #6
GMOs are not food additives. HuckleB Oct 2013 #10
Food additives derived from GMO corn, GMO soy, GMO canola, GMO cottonseed are indeed 'GMOs.' proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #11
I said you were in la la land, and then you further prove it with your response. HuckleB Oct 2013 #13
Check it out. Full text at link. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #15
And you continue with your Gish Gallop of unrelated nonsense. HuckleB Oct 2013 #18
The science-based links are at odds with the business-based links. Got cognitive dissonance? proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #19
And you offer up another pseudoscience web site full of BS. HuckleB Oct 2013 #20
SEE POST #1, please note depth and breadth of analysis of currently abysmal state of affairs. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #21
And you're off in another direction. HuckleB Oct 2013 #22
Hardly. Here are all the links separated from the news aggregating sites you're so fond of dissing. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #23
That translates into a whole lotta recent science w zero relevance of personal attacks on M.Pollan. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #24
That translates into a bunch of nothing. HuckleB Oct 2013 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #46
The update was to my own post which lit up the yellow tab for MY POSTS and linked to this old post. proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #48
UPDATE. proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #45
Woo Hoo! Let's update the way people spread anti-science fears! HuckleB Jan 2014 #53
PRESS RELEASE > Environmental Chemicals Harm Reproductive Health: Ob-Gyns Advocate for Policy Change proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #2
Age of Autism? HuckleB Oct 2013 #3
Nope, The American Society for Reproductive Medicine & The American College of Obstetricians and Gyn proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #7
You fail to understand that you're not discussing the OP. HuckleB Oct 2013 #9
GMO's are mainly consumed as food additives which scientists, not Pollan, are assessing in my links. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #12
No, they're not. HuckleB Oct 2013 #14
No need to be rude. The whole world (slightly exaggerated) apart from the US is wrong? Snort. nt proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #16
The whole world's scientific community is wrong? HuckleB Oct 2013 #17
I see you suffer from the same afflication as many of your compatriots EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2013 #5
Oh, please, it's a PRESS RELEASE backed by 57,000 ob-gyns + 7.000 reproductive medicine specialists. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #8
RECOMMENDED Press Statement, along with Pollan's brilliant 'Food Rules: An Eater's Manual.' proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #26
The OP already debunked all this BS. HuckleB Oct 2013 #27
My god, more diarrhea EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2013 #28
A good look at GMO denialism. HuckleB Oct 2013 #29
Organic Food Causes Autism and Diabetes HuckleB Oct 2013 #30
Check it out. DISCLAIMER: Recognized experts, although I have no familiarity with Robbins or event. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #31
Stop posting pseudoscience on this forum. HuckleB Oct 2013 #32
Please see http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2000-09-03/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-NEW-PROTEINS proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #33
More bad propaganda. HuckleB Oct 2013 #36
Don't miss this. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #34
Ah, I see you've posted from the highly respected science magazine Elle EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2013 #35
FFS. HuckleB Oct 2013 #37
Go figure. Your source cynically parses words or is woefully uninformed. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #38
I offered MULTIPLE SOURCES!!!!! HuckleB Oct 2013 #39
"This is not a hit piece on Michael Pollan" - I'd hate to read what the author does consider muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #40
A hit piece is usually not entirely accurate. HuckleB Oct 2013 #41
FYI, I just saw this. proverbialwisdom Nov 2013 #42
Both classic crank anti-GMO sources. HuckleB Nov 2013 #43
More reading for you here. proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #47
And the pointless Gish Gallop continues. HuckleB Jan 2014 #50
If that's your understanding, may I suggest due diligence necessitates additional reading? proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #49
Re-reading BS isn't going to change anything. HuckleB Jan 2014 #51
A Generous Offer to Dr. Huber -Turned Down HuckleB Nov 2013 #44
Pollan, Other Activists Fear Monger With Ignorance -- AGAIN! HuckleB Jan 2014 #52
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