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HuckleB

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44. A Generous Offer to Dr. Huber -Turned Down

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:10 PM

Nov 2013

http://kfolta.blogspot.com/2013/11/a-generous-offer-to-dr-huber.html

"...

"I offer to sequence the genome of the pathogen and identify what it is," I said. "If Dr. Huber could kindly give me a small amount of the culture we could identify this new life form before Christmas."

I'm not bluffing here. We could do that. I could pay to have the libraries made and get several lanes of Illumina sequencing done in a few weeks. We'd get several hundred million 'reads' (small bits of data) that could be computationally assembled into a whole genome of his novel organism, if it actually existed. If it was real, we could have 300-fold coverage of its sequence. Completely do-able, and I'd pay for it.

"So can you send me cultures?" I asked.

What do you think his answer was? After a ten minute talk about the organism and how it is killing cattle and causing problems he said he would not send it.

I said, "Don, you say this is a crisis, that a new pathogen is causing disease in humans and plants, and you won't release it to the broader scientific community for eight years?"

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Michael Pollan as GMO ‘denialist’ dupes credulous New York Times [View all] HuckleB Oct 2013 OP

Ok, let's look to the scientists for safety of 'food additives,' where most are exposed to GMOs. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #1

Got Gish Gallop? HuckleB Oct 2013 #4

YOU: Reject Pollan on GMOs, not a scientist. ME: Fine. Read this knowing that GMOs = food additives. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #6

GMOs are not food additives. HuckleB Oct 2013 #10

Food additives derived from GMO corn, GMO soy, GMO canola, GMO cottonseed are indeed 'GMOs.' proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #11

I said you were in la la land, and then you further prove it with your response. HuckleB Oct 2013 #13

Check it out. Full text at link. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #15

And you continue with your Gish Gallop of unrelated nonsense. HuckleB Oct 2013 #18

The science-based links are at odds with the business-based links. Got cognitive dissonance? proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #19

And you offer up another pseudoscience web site full of BS. HuckleB Oct 2013 #20

SEE POST #1, please note depth and breadth of analysis of currently abysmal state of affairs. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #21

And you're off in another direction. HuckleB Oct 2013 #22

Hardly. Here are all the links separated from the news aggregating sites you're so fond of dissing. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #23

That translates into a whole lotta recent science w zero relevance of personal attacks on M.Pollan. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #24

That translates into a bunch of nothing. HuckleB Oct 2013 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #46

The update was to my own post which lit up the yellow tab for MY POSTS and linked to this old post. proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #48

UPDATE. proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #45

Woo Hoo! Let's update the way people spread anti-science fears! HuckleB Jan 2014 #53

PRESS RELEASE > Environmental Chemicals Harm Reproductive Health: Ob-Gyns Advocate for Policy Change proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #2

Age of Autism? HuckleB Oct 2013 #3

Nope, The American Society for Reproductive Medicine & The American College of Obstetricians and Gyn proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #7

You fail to understand that you're not discussing the OP. HuckleB Oct 2013 #9

GMO's are mainly consumed as food additives which scientists, not Pollan, are assessing in my links. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #12

No, they're not. HuckleB Oct 2013 #14

No need to be rude. The whole world (slightly exaggerated) apart from the US is wrong? Snort. nt proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #16

The whole world's scientific community is wrong? HuckleB Oct 2013 #17

I see you suffer from the same afflication as many of your compatriots EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2013 #5

Oh, please, it's a PRESS RELEASE backed by 57,000 ob-gyns + 7.000 reproductive medicine specialists. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #8

RECOMMENDED Press Statement, along with Pollan's brilliant 'Food Rules: An Eater's Manual.' proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #26

The OP already debunked all this BS. HuckleB Oct 2013 #27

My god, more diarrhea EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2013 #28

A good look at GMO denialism. HuckleB Oct 2013 #29

Organic Food Causes Autism and Diabetes HuckleB Oct 2013 #30

Check it out. DISCLAIMER: Recognized experts, although I have no familiarity with Robbins or event. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #31

Stop posting pseudoscience on this forum. HuckleB Oct 2013 #32

Please see http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2000-09-03/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-NEW-PROTEINS proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #33

More bad propaganda. HuckleB Oct 2013 #36

Don't miss this. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #34

Ah, I see you've posted from the highly respected science magazine Elle EvolveOrConvolve Oct 2013 #35

FFS. HuckleB Oct 2013 #37

Go figure. Your source cynically parses words or is woefully uninformed. proverbialwisdom Oct 2013 #38

I offered MULTIPLE SOURCES!!!!! HuckleB Oct 2013 #39

"This is not a hit piece on Michael Pollan" - I'd hate to read what the author does consider muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #40

A hit piece is usually not entirely accurate. HuckleB Oct 2013 #41

FYI, I just saw this. proverbialwisdom Nov 2013 #42

Both classic crank anti-GMO sources. HuckleB Nov 2013 #43

More reading for you here. proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #47

And the pointless Gish Gallop continues. HuckleB Jan 2014 #50

If that's your understanding, may I suggest due diligence necessitates additional reading? proverbialwisdom Jan 2014 #49

Re-reading BS isn't going to change anything. HuckleB Jan 2014 #51

A Generous Offer to Dr. Huber -Turned Down HuckleB Nov 2013 #44

Pollan, Other Activists Fear Monger With Ignorance -- AGAIN! HuckleB Jan 2014 #52