2016 Postmortem

JCanete

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43. So, I would just say that you should stay away from language like "braindead." You are referring to

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:18 PM

Nov 2016

your fellow DUers while I assume you are attempting to appeal to them on grounds that they are mistaken for debasing and disregarding fellow human beings. I think something like "foolish" would have been okay here, "misguided", etc. But braindead can hardly be divorced from characterizing the actual people, or at least that's my sense of it.

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Fuck the braindead notion that we can say "Fuck the white working class." [View all] RBInMaine Nov 2016 OP

Those jobs left during the Bush administration. dawg Nov 2016 #1

Hillary's main message was "Trump's bad and I'm not Trump." Let me explain how else you are wrong. RBInMaine Nov 2016 #7

Let me explain to you why you are delusional. dawg Nov 2016 #15

1000. n/t pnwmom Nov 2016 #56

I agree with your analysis Gothmog Nov 2016 #76

Dawg, Every word you type is truth.. JHan Nov 2016 #85

Maybe at her rallies, which were seen by a limited number of people. Her ads featured little policy MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #99

dawg... LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #130

That's not how it works nolabels Nov 2016 #132

Listen to yourself, why don't you. dawg Nov 2016 #142

I really don't concede this election as something any voting bloc to be responsible for nolabels Nov 2016 #144

So very true! Everything you said. AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #146

I noticed the same thing ; she wasn't even featured in her own damn commercials. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #98

They started leaving the country during the Reagan years. duffyduff Nov 2016 #41

Bruce Springsteen's album, Born in the USA, was released in 1984. Yavin4 Nov 2016 #54

Glad you brought up Bruce. duffyduff Nov 2016 #81

Some of us have never stopped raising "a stink" about it. We've just grown louder. PotatoChip Nov 2016 #141

Oh, and btw... PotatoChip Nov 2016 #143

The OP believes we need to ape Trump and engage in demagoguery. duffyduff Nov 2016 #42

Al those jobs were not just manufacturing. dogman Nov 2016 #47

She could have visited those states and actually talked to those people PatrickforO Nov 2016 #83

It's not the Democratic Party that's being patronizing. dawg Nov 2016 #86

wow. your post impressed the hell out of me renate Nov 2016 #145

Actually they stated to leave in the 1970s BainsBane Nov 2016 #104

Exactly. Service jobs. Nurses. Teachers. Paralegals. Accountants. Horse with no Name Nov 2016 #111

We're still the 2nd biggest manufacturer in tje world, we can get SOME of dionysus Dec 2016 #151

And who is the Party that proposes free education, minimum wage hikes, access to healthcare Trust Buster Nov 2016 #2

The party needs to SAY that. There is no MESSAGING. RBInMaine Nov 2016 #9

The Democratic Party has been saying it all along while the Republican Party has been obstructing Trust Buster Nov 2016 #13

Absolute lack of a CLEAR jobs message and too many corporate Democrats. That's just the fact. RBInMaine Nov 2016 #14

No, those issues were muddy at best LiberalLovinLug Nov 2016 #79

WRONG. There was plenty of messaging. But the media pnwmom Nov 2016 #59

Bull. The Party SAID that all election long. The Press reported on emails and Foundations. NT Adrahil Dec 2016 #149

If you're not college-educated, "free" education isn't attractive. brooklynite Nov 2016 #17

Your statement makes zero sense. "If you're not college educated, "free" education isn't attractive" Trust Buster Nov 2016 #96

If your live in an area BainsBane Nov 2016 #107

And yet...non-College educated voters chose Trump brooklynite Nov 2016 #109

Sure they did. Trump promised to give them their 1960's back. It won't happen but they believed Trust Buster Nov 2016 #135

You lose me as soon as you repeat the RW talking point "Jobs. Jobs. Jobs." Moostache Nov 2016 #3

You don't get it. At least the Republicans SAY it. We don' even do that. It is SHIT messaging. RBInMaine Nov 2016 #10

No. It's clear you're the one who doesn't get it. kcr Dec 2016 #150

a bunch old guy Nov 2016 #102

There is no "White" working class Fichefinder Nov 2016 #4

Welcome to DU Fichefinder. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #8

That's just what I mean when I say this is the issue that binds ALL of us. RBInMaine Nov 2016 #11

Well said! Work also provides dignity and purpose in life. mia Nov 2016 #21

Here's my question: Fichefinder Nov 2016 #82

I don't have any global answers citood Dec 2016 #153

Recommended. I agree that economic insecurity can lead people to blame "the other" guillaumeb Nov 2016 #5

I refuse to pander to racist, homophobic, misogynistic bible banging fundie nazi fuckers, Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #6

You are stereotyping as bad as the people you are accusing. I hope you enjoy LOSING. RBInMaine Nov 2016 #12

you try walking in 100 million plus shoes of people who ARE the everyday victims Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #18

This is not an either/or question. What don't you understand? RBInMaine Nov 2016 #22

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. duffyduff Nov 2016 #32

Let me tell you why you are SO wrong: RBInMaine Nov 2016 #36

I have a question for you? atreides1 Nov 2016 #77

You focus on common ground with these people, ie ec9nomoc issues, not dionysus Dec 2016 #155

I agree. potone Nov 2016 #103

Most telling part "it doesn't mean a whole lot" To you, perhaps. bettyellen Nov 2016 #106

you're absolutely right; some people are completely fixated on Us vs. Them nt. TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #136

Democrats have reached out to the white working class before by neglecting people of colour Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #20

Being the party of EVERYONE doesn't leave ANYONE out. It isn't an either/or situation. RBInMaine Nov 2016 #23

Yes, it is. White males who vote GOP tend to be racist and sexist. duffyduff Nov 2016 #27

They have the house, Senate, presidency, and most state legislatures. We need more voters Amishman Nov 2016 #70

Thank you. whathehell Nov 2016 #52

!! gollygee Nov 2016 #31

You do realize that the white working class aren't the ones paying women less right? mythology Nov 2016 #48

they vote for the fuckers who DO enable all the rot in the country to occur, and then blame US when Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #60

"Blue-collar Democrats to party: It's still the economy, stupid"-MSN headline today. jalan48 Nov 2016 #16

These blue collar males have not been Democrats since Reagan or Nixon. duffyduff Nov 2016 #25

Obama won Trumball county in Ohio by 22 points mythology Nov 2016 #49

Attitudes like yours are why we lost the election. jalan48 Nov 2016 #68

I don't know why they think the Republicans are going to help them treestar Nov 2016 #19

They have been RAISED that way by racist, sexist parents. duffyduff Nov 2016 #28

Because the Republicans SAY they are going to help them. We don't SAY it! RBInMaine Nov 2016 #29

What about when it does not happen? treestar Nov 2016 #30

Blame the Dems. How predictable can you be? Of course you are WRONG. n/t duffyduff Nov 2016 #33

Who would you blame? You call us "wrong"...but the important states show otherwise Nancyswidower Nov 2016 #95

well Afromania Dec 2016 #154

We effectively have a two party system mythology Nov 2016 #53

Another naive post. duffyduff Nov 2016 #24

You don't know what you are talking about, and here is why. RBInMaine Nov 2016 #34

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Yawn.... think Nov 2016 #37

"I know everything. You know nothing." HassleCat Nov 2016 #40

That woud be funny, if it weren't so sadly true. westerebus Nov 2016 #91

Hillary won the popular vote by a large margin in CA and other West-Coast states LongTomH Nov 2016 #64

"I know WAY more than you do about politics..." BUT not more than me Nancyswidower Nov 2016 #87

I'll bet you know more than anyone eh. You sound like whats his name who just became president elect mtnsnake Nov 2016 #92

Great post. Thank you /nt think Nov 2016 #26

Good OP. Your POV is *SORELY* lacking in this place lately jack_krass Nov 2016 #38

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Well, people are venting their frustration, and as a white male myself, while I agree these optics JCanete Nov 2016 #45

Lots of white people don't feel like they are living in privilege Dems to Win Nov 2016 #61

But what would you have people do? Are you denying that there is white privilege, that JCanete Nov 2016 #63

Perhaps we could extend the protections of political correctness to white people Dems to Win Nov 2016 #74

It may not be a way to win votes but it is the truth. Sorceress Nov 2016 #137

He lost in South Carolina liquid diamond Nov 2016 #67

He might have lost SC anyway, and I won't argue with you on that, but I was paying very close JCanete Nov 2016 #72

I saw every woman & POC asking what Bernie had to say to them accused of being a shill or DNC plant- bettyellen Nov 2016 #75

I don't think its fair for you to remember the worst acts of some Bernie supporters and to JCanete Nov 2016 #78

"It was first propagated" the day Sanders website went live and there was no mention of women's, bettyellen Nov 2016 #90

I'm an economic progressive, because it goes hand and hand with every social issue. Again, you are JCanete Nov 2016 #94

I saw plenty of Hillary supporters belittling and insulting Bernie supporters BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #115

Get over the fucking primaries already, really tho, it's done bravenak Nov 2016 #123

"No I fucking DONT NEED TO DO SHIT" BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #125

Damn straight I DONT bravenak Nov 2016 #126

I was merely posting a response to someone else who seemed to be "refighting the BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #127

Yeah right bravenak Nov 2016 #128

Indeed. BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #129

So, I would just say that you should stay away from language like "braindead." You are referring to JCanete Nov 2016 #43

False. The OP did NOT refer to DUers as you claim. The OP referred to a "notion." mtnsnake Nov 2016 #50

No I read it. You didn't read my whole post if you thought I didn't make that distinction. But JCanete Nov 2016 #62

Warren 2020 Oneironaut Nov 2016 #44

1 think Nov 2016 #46

Brain dead and hateful whathehell Nov 2016 #51

K & R democrank Nov 2016 #55

Exactly! nt Akacia Nov 2016 #57

Where were the white males back in the early 1970's . . FairWinds Nov 2016 #58

The white working clsss fucked themselves randr Nov 2016 #65

WE have just now abt finished purging ,,,, Cryptoad Nov 2016 #66

Yes liquid diamond Nov 2016 #69

"Working class America doesn't give a flying shit about pure food laws and solar power" Martin Eden Nov 2016 #71

CURIOUS: When hasn't an election been about JOBS? quantumjunkie Nov 2016 #73

Totally agree. We won't win without that group. cry baby Nov 2016 #80

There isn't anything Clinton could have said or done that would have won over a Trump voter. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #84

If that's the case, then she shouldn't have run for President. n/t mtnsnake Nov 2016 #89

Yup. old guy Nov 2016 #105

Totally agree Lithos Nov 2016 #88

Why do we always have to treat them like children? BlueStater Nov 2016 #93

Yep. Is it funny though seeing that group, who cheered Walmart previously... WhoWoodaKnew Nov 2016 #97

TOTALLY agree!!! nt Raine Nov 2016 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author KK9 Nov 2016 #101

Yes. Cultural and economic progress aren't mutually exclusive. DirkGently Nov 2016 #108

Oh give me a mutha fucking break, for real bravenak Nov 2016 #110

I'd like to know why they don't have bootstraps. Where'd their bootstraps go? betsuni Nov 2016 #112

Its black friday, i'm sure they can find some on sale bravenak Nov 2016 #113

I am WHITE WORKING CLASS and I've voted Democratic in every election BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #116

I was talking about the Trump voters, but go ahead and assume what ya want to bravenak Nov 2016 #118

When you find yourself using phrases like "these people", BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #122

No I fucking DONT NEED TO DO SHIT bravenak Nov 2016 #124

she is clearly referring to those who voted Trump JI7 Nov 2016 #133

I agree. Working class concerns had been a major part of the Democratic Party since FDR mvd Nov 2016 #114

Anybody who believes that a racist Neanderthal with a slew of lawsuits under his belt, who flies Number23 Nov 2016 #117

I agree, fully bravenak Nov 2016 #119

Oh, he will. And the whole damn planet will suffer because of it too Number23 Nov 2016 #120

That's the fucked up part bravenak Nov 2016 #121

Trump often played The Rolling Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want" at rallies. betsuni Nov 2016 #131

agreed; it's the economy, stupid... nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #134

then why didn't they vote for Strickland and Feingold ? and voted for the pro free trade JI7 Nov 2016 #138

We're going to write off a huge segment of our population OnionPatch Nov 2016 #139

It absolutely kills me DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #140

k&r think Dec 2016 #147

People don;t just want Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. Adrahil Dec 2016 #148

"Fuck the white working class." stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #152