2016 Postmortem

radical noodle

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77. And how do we actually do that?

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:42 PM

Nov 2016

We have to outsmart them, which on the face of it shouldn't be difficult. Still, they have way more practice at dirty tricks and I'm not even sure that fighting fire with fire is the right approach.

Do you have something in mind?

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Stop. Letting. Them. Frame. The. Fucking. Narrative. [View all] LaydeeBug Nov 2016 OP

thank you. KewlKat Nov 2016 #1

Likewise, thank you. Show them this chart, 11 states with 2.3 million Trump votes: Coyotl Nov 2016 #50

No...we lost. TCJ70 Nov 2016 #2

Yeah, and some of our votes only count three-fifths as much..ho hum lostnfound Nov 2016 #18

I'm one of those 3/5 voters. OnionPatch Nov 2016 #44

I live in NC Red Mountain Nov 2016 #84

I don't think Trump could have changed our beliefs here in California OnionPatch Nov 2016 #107

"Rights of the majority?" The thing that allowed a large part of the country to enslave the rest? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #98

Human and civil rights OnionPatch Nov 2016 #106

And don't forget LittleGirl Nov 2016 #47

I AGREE. rladdi Nov 2016 #49

I Agree, rladdi Nov 2016 #51

Confused: Fox News is a shit "news" station, but we're mad more stations don't act the same way?? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #97

Re your last paragraph FBaggins Nov 2016 #22

Whatever it takes to approach the one man - one vote theory of democracy is what should be done world wide wally Nov 2016 #54

Yea, I Agree liberalmike27 Nov 2016 #30

NO MFM008 Nov 2016 #42

Whether the EC is updated or not thucythucy Nov 2016 #32

You cannot gerrymander the federal election for president because no party can alter state lines. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #3

You really believe that? Moostache Nov 2016 #4

Yes, I really believe that. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #6

The overlap is the corrupt RW congress has been opening bogus "investigations" on Dems non stop .... bettyellen Nov 2016 #41

That is certainly an issue, but it is not called Gerrymandering(TM) AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #46

Am saying he gerrymandering helped lead to this - in a direct and large way. bettyellen Nov 2016 #57

I disagree. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #70

Gerrymandering certainly has been in a factor in geographic and partisan polarization YoungDemCA Nov 2016 #91

But Senate seats are also state-wide elections. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #148

I agree gerrymandering helped the Repukes HelenWheels Nov 2016 #108

"All politics is local" Tip O'Neil nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #14

Ummm...yes it does because all politics is local. LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #7

You know that's not gerrymandering, right? AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #33

Stop thinking of an Elephant. fleabiscuit Nov 2016 #94

That's not gerrymandering. Nt dionysus Jan 2017 #157

but it is suppression. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #159

Yes, it's dirty trickery, something the pukes love. It may be annoying but i am a dionysus Jan 2017 #160

You can continue to play semantics. They are playing war. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #161

Sorry, Democrats lost and have been losing. earthside Nov 2016 #5

Aaaah, the new catch phrase du jour: "identity politics" LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #9

People vote with their wallets. Period. B2G Nov 2016 #11

ok, the economy is way better than it was, and the poorest, economically destitute LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #12

Chicago? LA? NYC? Detroit? Outside of celebrities these areas are incredibly poor. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #99

In their minds they are. KPN Nov 2016 #114

It's the economy, stupid. earthside Nov 2016 #17

Excellent post B2G Nov 2016 #23

Wrong azureblue Nov 2016 #34

Granted this is a washington-stater's perspective but AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #72

*Sigh* Lokilooney Nov 2016 #89

You nailed down the problem with the "enthusiasm level". Exilednight Nov 2016 #111

We had idiots on here guaranteeing a bloodbath Democratic victory, probably resulting... MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #101

Plus a Gazillion! KPN Nov 2016 #117

So your proposed fix for 4 brutal elections in a row is...nothing? Cause "we was robbed?" MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #100

Then please explain why Republicans keep,winning in Kansas, Mississippi, and so forth world wide wally Nov 2016 #59

Great post earthside. Thank you for speaking up and speaking the truth. KPN Nov 2016 #116

otherwise known for us as "civil rights" robbedvoter Nov 2016 #104

Correct LittleBlue Nov 2016 #134

This is the point 1 quaker bill Nov 2016 #137

This! treestar Nov 2016 #8

Pundits are putting ona SHOW...when RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA is reported as "news" LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #10

the media, the media, the media Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #13

They reported RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA as news. Repeatedly. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #15

yes, really treasonous, IMO Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #20

The worst was continuously calling the Comey letter "a bombshell " unitedwethrive Nov 2016 #16

yes-- their reaction to that made it so much bigger than it was Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #21

Even with all the media bullcrap and Comey interference, Trump still couldn't win. anamandujano Nov 2016 #27

yep! Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #52

This! treestar Nov 2016 #127

AND HILLARY WON (AND CONTINUES TO WIN) THE POPULAR VOTE. niyad Nov 2016 #19

So did Al Gore, and that and five bucks gets you what? AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #36

this actual FACT runs counter to the "drumpfy has a mandate" nonsense, and needs to be niyad Nov 2016 #38

Realty runs counter to the 'mandate' claims. AtheistCrusader Nov 2016 #45

One of their favorites is to claim Hillary won along the coasts.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #24

Thank you. So many threads I won't even click here because of the titles. anamandujano Nov 2016 #25

It's crazy how the interlopers show themselves. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #76

This exactly. we can do it Nov 2016 #26

Our side could have won the election -- and would have won it if not for Comey, together with voter Akamai Nov 2016 #28

and, of course, misogyny. niyad Nov 2016 #39

Yup! Patriarchal/fundamentalist/etc. misogyny. I could have gone on for a while more, but my far Akamai Nov 2016 #64

The corporate media has aided and allowed the GOP to frame the narrative since the 1980s. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #29

THIS IS TRUE Cosmocat Nov 2016 #35

And civil rights and reproductive freedoms are called "identity politics"-by straight white men.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #55

An excellent addition. Thank you. eom guillaumeb Nov 2016 #56

"Economic progressives" can split off because they are not using us for their own ends. bettyellen Nov 2016 #58

And the framing never stops. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #60

I've seen that label a few times and it appears some are wanting to abandon "SJWs" as they call us.. bettyellen Nov 2016 #62

Please explain "SJWs". Thank you. eom guillaumeb Nov 2016 #63

Social justice warriors - as a pejorative... a lot of libertarian and RWers mock us w it.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #68

Thank you. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #71

Someone here said that we'd all be wealthier and the. Women could fly to other states for abortion bettyellen Nov 2016 #75

I cannot speak for Sanders, guillaumeb Nov 2016 #82

It's actually been a Bernie thing to avoid "the wedge" issues... bettyellen Nov 2016 #83

This is an unproductive post. KPN Nov 2016 #118

I'm suddenly seeing a spate of posts suggesting we should ignore social bettyellen Nov 2016 #132

Not exactly. With due respect, I would say that you are seeing what ... KPN Nov 2016 #140

I'm seeing exactly what I am saying. But thanks for the 'splaining... bettyellen Nov 2016 #147

Anytime. KPN Nov 2016 #149

To add to your list of narrative framing... Medicare and Social Security became Entitlements. n/t Hugin Nov 2016 #105

And entitlements became "free things for undeserving people". eom guillaumeb Nov 2016 #122

By definition, they are entitlements. Entitlements are not bad things. dionysus Jan 2017 #158

spot on. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #136

Kick Hekate Nov 2016 #31

There is Plenty to be Angry About liberalmike27 Nov 2016 #37

Your are correct about everything EXCEPT the point Cosmocat Nov 2016 #40

And how do we actually do that? radical noodle Nov 2016 #77

There are a lot of bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #43

I absolutely said that about Sanders and the voters he represents mythology Nov 2016 #48

yes, I agree- but how do we stop it??? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #53

Bullshit. '08 or '12 turnout wouldve given HRC the victory. 7962 Nov 2016 #61

Bullshit II Honey. Turnout was already higher than 2012. But don't let the facts betray LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #86

Yes Lokilooney Nov 2016 #90

The "propaganda" belongs to you, not me 7962 Nov 2016 #103

Aaaah so you admit that you're wrong by trying to project on me...Nice try. No dice LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #109

Keep. Making. Excuses. 7962 Nov 2016 #112

**2** Things We Should NOT Do: Martin Eden Nov 2016 #65

At this juncture, doing number 2 yields number one to the KGB/GOP. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #131

Hiding your head in the sand is never a good strategy Martin Eden Nov 2016 #133

The only ones with their heads in the sand are the ones pretending LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #141

Who at DU is pretending the KGB had nothing to do with it? Martin Eden Nov 2016 #142

The same ones trying to run a "what can we do better" when we're LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #144

How long will this "midst" last? Martin Eden Nov 2016 #145

As long as the cover up does. LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #146

Why can't progressive billionaires create a news channel like a Fox did during the Clinton admin? world wide wally Nov 2016 #66

an all-liberal/progressive network would be so welcome steventh Nov 2016 #73

And they could afford to pay all those people too! world wide wally Nov 2016 #74

Like Air America? philosslayer Nov 2016 #88

Did what I described sound like Air America? world wide wally Nov 2016 #120

Which big names do you propose? philosslayer Nov 2016 #121

Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell, Joy Reid, Bill Mahr, for starters world wide wally Nov 2016 #123

You mean.... MSNBC? philosslayer Nov 2016 #125

Olberman and Mahr aren't on MSNBC and MSNBC always tried to hide being liberal. world wide wally Nov 2016 #128

I'm not being negative philosslayer Nov 2016 #130

I've wondered the same thing myself. Ligyron Nov 2016 #110

If u vote GOP ,,,,, Cryptoad Nov 2016 #67

its called CHEATING. STEALING. pansypoo53219 Nov 2016 #69

...and hacking. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #93

That's how they do. We can't stop them, but we can definitely fight all the rhetoric and ancianita Nov 2016 #78

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #79

Sorry, we don't buy that shit here, unlike your buddies over at JPR. JTFrog Nov 2016 #81

K&R betsuni Nov 2016 #80

Thank you! ananda Nov 2016 #85

stop letting them? barbtries Nov 2016 #87

1! KPN Nov 2016 #119

Exactly treestar Nov 2016 #126

K & f'ing R! mcar Nov 2016 #92

1000!!!! AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #95

Dont Think of an Elephant! fleabiscuit Nov 2016 #96

James Comey committed an act of treason and should be tried for it. Initech Nov 2016 #102

The next time anyone says the words "liberal media" mountain grammy Nov 2016 #113

As long as it gets a reaction or changes your train of thought, they will nolabels Nov 2016 #129

"liberal media" is just another conservative con job. Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #135

T.o.o m.a.n.y p.e.r.i.o.d.s.. W.h.a.t. d.o.e.s. i.t. a.c.c.o.m.p.l.i.s.h.? Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #115

It makes it sound authoritative treestar Nov 2016 #124

I thought it was effective.. you're using too many though ;) JHan Dec 2016 #151

I agree with you. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #153

Agree! UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #138

Hell yeah! They talk about everything else but the strange way voting machines work UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #139

K&R! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #143

brought back bc we need a reminder. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #150

They are still trying to divide. Shameless kick for posterity. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #152

Even here on DU triron Jan 2017 #156

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #154

kick. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #155