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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Fuck the braindead notion that we can say "Fuck the white working class." [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)78. I don't think its fair for you to remember the worst acts of some Bernie supporters and to
then saddle the rest of us or Bernie himself with that behavior, any more than it would be for me to point out the shitty things Hillary supporters have said about Bernie supporters or Sanders. You often dredge those things up, and clearly they left a bad taste in your mouth, but I would challenge you to try to focus on Sanders platform, his own words and record, and the best of us and our intentions, and I will do the same of Hillary supporters.
I won't condone any actions that attempted to silence questions, but I will also say there were plenty of posts not posing questions at all but propagating a false meme that yes, was first propagated by Clinton's own messaging department, and was picked up and run with here on these boards.
The actual questions are great, and I'm pretty sure that Sanders advocacy, while perhaps not perfect or ideal, far exceeds Clinton's on actual policies that help people of color. That was drowned out. Tanahashi Coates for example, put out an article specifically taking Sanders to task for not supporting or advocating for reparations, in a primary cycle where neither candidate did. Those things have real effects because he is a trusted and valuable voice on issues of race and social justice. He later followed up but he had to know a piece so implicitly stilted would have coat-tails.
As to Bernie refusing to temper protests, I'm not sure it was the right decision but I understand it. Plenty of us felt, and for good reason, that the DNC had actively worked against Bernie's chances, from the ridiculous debate scheduling, to the united establishment front that started saying things like "Bernie isn't a real democrat," (looking at you Boxer), to Clinton's propaganda instrument in Brock who was putting out disingenuous hit-pieces about Bernie, such as efforts to pretend he wasn't part of the civil rights movement, the hammering of Bernie Bros, etc. etc. So I can understand why he might have thought the DNC deserved some pressure.
That doesn't mean there weren't elements that Bernie did attract that don't best represent us, and its no surprise that they would be the loudest and most disruptive, not to mention the least sensitive or compassionate. That's a side-effect of appealing beyond our natural limits as a party, which is not a bad thing to do. Your fear is that that sort of thing was the main thrust of the Sanders movement, and that's just not the case, if you look at his consistent messaging and the things he's fought for his whole life in congress.
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Fuck the braindead notion that we can say "Fuck the white working class." [View all]
RBInMaine
Nov 2016
OP
Hillary's main message was "Trump's bad and I'm not Trump." Let me explain how else you are wrong.
RBInMaine
Nov 2016
#7
Maybe at her rallies, which were seen by a limited number of people. Her ads featured little policy
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#99
I really don't concede this election as something any voting bloc to be responsible for
nolabels
Nov 2016
#144
I noticed the same thing ; she wasn't even featured in her own damn commercials.
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#98
Some of us have never stopped raising "a stink" about it. We've just grown louder.
PotatoChip
Nov 2016
#141
And who is the Party that proposes free education, minimum wage hikes, access to healthcare
Trust Buster
Nov 2016
#2
The Democratic Party has been saying it all along while the Republican Party has been obstructing
Trust Buster
Nov 2016
#13
Absolute lack of a CLEAR jobs message and too many corporate Democrats. That's just the fact.
RBInMaine
Nov 2016
#14
Bull. The Party SAID that all election long. The Press reported on emails and Foundations. NT
Adrahil
Dec 2016
#149
Your statement makes zero sense. "If you're not college educated, "free" education isn't attractive"
Trust Buster
Nov 2016
#96
Sure they did. Trump promised to give them their 1960's back. It won't happen but they believed
Trust Buster
Nov 2016
#135
You don't get it. At least the Republicans SAY it. We don' even do that. It is SHIT messaging.
RBInMaine
Nov 2016
#10
Recommended. I agree that economic insecurity can lead people to blame "the other"
guillaumeb
Nov 2016
#5
I refuse to pander to racist, homophobic, misogynistic bible banging fundie nazi fuckers,
Grey Lemercier
Nov 2016
#6
You are stereotyping as bad as the people you are accusing. I hope you enjoy LOSING.
RBInMaine
Nov 2016
#12
you try walking in 100 million plus shoes of people who ARE the everyday victims
Grey Lemercier
Nov 2016
#18
you're absolutely right; some people are completely fixated on Us vs. Them nt.
TheFrenchRazor
Nov 2016
#136
Democrats have reached out to the white working class before by neglecting people of colour
Grey Lemercier
Nov 2016
#20
Being the party of EVERYONE doesn't leave ANYONE out. It isn't an either/or situation.
RBInMaine
Nov 2016
#23
They have the house, Senate, presidency, and most state legislatures. We need more voters
Amishman
Nov 2016
#70
You do realize that the white working class aren't the ones paying women less right?
mythology
Nov 2016
#48
they vote for the fuckers who DO enable all the rot in the country to occur, and then blame US when
Grey Lemercier
Nov 2016
#60
"Blue-collar Democrats to party: It's still the economy, stupid"-MSN headline today.
jalan48
Nov 2016
#16
Who would you blame? You call us "wrong"...but the important states show otherwise
Nancyswidower
Nov 2016
#95
Hillary won the popular vote by a large margin in CA and other West-Coast states
LongTomH
Nov 2016
#64
I'll bet you know more than anyone eh. You sound like whats his name who just became president elect
mtnsnake
Nov 2016
#92
Well, people are venting their frustration, and as a white male myself, while I agree these optics
JCanete
Nov 2016
#45
But what would you have people do? Are you denying that there is white privilege, that
JCanete
Nov 2016
#63
Perhaps we could extend the protections of political correctness to white people
Dems to Win
Nov 2016
#74
He might have lost SC anyway, and I won't argue with you on that, but I was paying very close
JCanete
Nov 2016
#72
I saw every woman & POC asking what Bernie had to say to them accused of being a shill or DNC plant-
bettyellen
Nov 2016
#75
I don't think its fair for you to remember the worst acts of some Bernie supporters and to
JCanete
Nov 2016
#78
"It was first propagated" the day Sanders website went live and there was no mention of women's,
bettyellen
Nov 2016
#90
I'm an economic progressive, because it goes hand and hand with every social issue. Again, you are
JCanete
Nov 2016
#94
I saw plenty of Hillary supporters belittling and insulting Bernie supporters
BlueProgressive
Nov 2016
#115
I was merely posting a response to someone else who seemed to be "refighting the
BlueProgressive
Nov 2016
#127
So, I would just say that you should stay away from language like "braindead." You are referring to
JCanete
Nov 2016
#43
False. The OP did NOT refer to DUers as you claim. The OP referred to a "notion."
mtnsnake
Nov 2016
#50
No I read it. You didn't read my whole post if you thought I didn't make that distinction. But
JCanete
Nov 2016
#62
"Working class America doesn't give a flying shit about pure food laws and solar power"
Martin Eden
Nov 2016
#71
There isn't anything Clinton could have said or done that would have won over a Trump voter.
Garrett78
Nov 2016
#84
Yep. Is it funny though seeing that group, who cheered Walmart previously...
WhoWoodaKnew
Nov 2016
#97
I was talking about the Trump voters, but go ahead and assume what ya want to
bravenak
Nov 2016
#118
I agree. Working class concerns had been a major part of the Democratic Party since FDR
mvd
Nov 2016
#114
Anybody who believes that a racist Neanderthal with a slew of lawsuits under his belt, who flies
Number23
Nov 2016
#117
Trump often played The Rolling Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want" at rallies.
betsuni
Nov 2016
#131