2016 Postmortem

oberliner

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8. Disagree on all points

Sat Nov 26, 2016, 09:07 PM

Nov 2016

1. Getting rid of Democrats is not a good starting point. Some of the most progressive, forward thinking liberals in America come from places other than the working and middle classes in grassroots America.

2. Time and resources are precious and limited. They should be spent according to where they could have the greatest impact. One of the mistakes of the HRC campaign was pouring resources into Omaha that should have been spent in Milwaukee.

3. Creating jobs in rural areas and small towns is not going to happen. The economy has changed in this country permanently. That shift is not reversible. We need to help prepare people for the future not try to recreate the past.

Bear in mind that more people voted for HRC than Trump by a wide margin.

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What the party needs to do, plain and SIMPLE: [View all] RBInMaine Nov 2016 OP

Change the electoral college. Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #1

What jobs are we going to create in rural areas? How do you propose to do this? LonePirate Nov 2016 #2

It could have been clean energy, but Trump is going to gut that NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #16

Sure makes sense to me. As has been said forever, people vote with their wallets/pocketbooks RKP5637 Nov 2016 #3

Good points on jobs, but Trump hammered more on hatred, and it worked. Hoyt Nov 2016 #9

Definitely, she had a realistic view and was truthful! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #37

Clinton talked jobs, economy, income inequality, media not interested in showing that. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #12

Yep. Clinton offered far more substance on economic matters. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #18

Definitely that is all one predominately heard. Trump and hatred. Same tactics as Hitler. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #38

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and disagree. Vehemently. Because: stopbush Nov 2016 #4

This a million times! mcar Nov 2016 #5

Exactly, ignorant white wing racists are responsible for Trump. Hoyt Nov 2016 #10

2, 3, 4 are exactly correct. If we're gonna drop civil rights and purge liberals from the emulatorloo Nov 2016 #13

Bingo! Garrett78 Nov 2016 #19

Thank you, well said. Raastan Nov 2016 #29

plus 1,000,000! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #43

Resist the temptation of uttering classist slurs against poor whites meow2u3 Nov 2016 #6

I second this. alarimer Nov 2016 #47

The party also needs to get with the times ificandream Nov 2016 #7

I can't believe how Trump got the upper hand on social media EL34x4 Nov 2016 #46

Yeah ... ificandream Nov 2016 #49

Disagree on all points oberliner Nov 2016 #8

We shouldn't lie to the people like Trump did ? Trust Buster Nov 2016 #11

Plus 1 n/t emulatorloo Nov 2016 #14

This...and stop bashing guns and religion or people that embrace them NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #15

Brave post, well thought out, and with suggestions very much worth considering. mtnsnake Nov 2016 #17

Gun control is not about banning or bashing guns. And Clinton is far more religious/Xian than Trump. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #20

You entirely missed the point NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #21

Yes, they've harped about Dems banning guns, but it isn't actually true. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #22

It doesn't matter that it's not true...people believe it NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #26

As I said, Dems can't control what other people believe. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #28

You are completely missing the point... NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #34

Dems *do* correct those lies. Constantly. But... Garrett78 Nov 2016 #45

Liberal disdain for religion may not be the correct understanding Raastan Nov 2016 #30

That's honestly not how it comes across, though NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #35

they have alot of disdain for non christian .religions and being anti muslim was JI7 Nov 2016 #40

Trump's campaign is not 100% representative of his voters NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #42

stop bashing religion ? Does this include Islam and other non christian religions ? JI7 Nov 2016 #33

Yes, it includes ALL religions NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #36

So Far Not A Good Trend colsohlibgal Nov 2016 #23

For what it's worth Schumer claims he is embracing some progressive issues & philosophy think Nov 2016 #25

schumer dOes well wIth rural conservative your voters JI7 Nov 2016 #41

Some excellent points, thanks. democrank Nov 2016 #24

The DNC platform had progressive populists ideas, it did not bring in enough voters. Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #27

#1 SCAPEGOAT SOME MINORITY GROUP JI7 Nov 2016 #31

they don't seem to have a problem with corporate types like Ron Johnson , in fact he did even better JI7 Nov 2016 #32

I hear and agree with this post AmericanMan1958 Nov 2016 #39

Can we dispense with the notion that being a progressive sells in every market? SaschaHM Nov 2016 #44

Well, at this point I think it's more important to just win. alarimer Nov 2016 #48