2016 Postmortem

radius777

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46. 2012 was a different universe

Sun Nov 27, 2016, 07:09 PM

Nov 2016

and even then Obama lost considerable wwc support from 2008.

the past 5 years or so have been some of the most racially divisive in the past 30 years or so, with many police shootings of unarmed PoC, the black lives matter movement in response, gay marriage approved in all 50 states, women in higher profile positions in business, academia and politics -

I agree with Van Jones that this was "white-lash" and had everythign to do with white nationalism as it had to do with the economic issues.

The same Trump voters who said their vote was about populism and anti-establishment still voted for establishment GOP senate candidates across the country, most of who are the typical anti-populist Reagan/tea party Repubs.

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The Democratic Party is for social AND economic justice. It isn't an "either/or" situation! [View all] RBInMaine Nov 2016 OP

There was nothing wrong with the message, platform, campaign or candidate. ucrdem Nov 2016 #1

Well, there were some real problems. Here they are: RBInMaine Nov 2016 #3

Those are myths. She won bigly. Mistakes were made but in the voting rights department. ucrdem Nov 2016 #4

a million! BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #5

Absolutely. ucrdem Nov 2016 #7

But, that is our democracy. Else You Are Mad Nov 2016 #13

Not entirely correct in my view. Hillary herself ... KPN Nov 2016 #19

Sounds like a lot of denial to me. KPN Nov 2016 #18

A lot of that going around lately. n/t paleotn Nov 2016 #27

Perhaps, but the Wagging finger smilie probably won't help your case. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #51

You are right -- it was a reaction to a couple of other folks' emojis that ... KPN Nov 2016 #57

We're only human. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #59

Obviously, Midwestern states were taken for granted.... paleotn Nov 2016 #26

Sorry, RB, Hillary could BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #6

Yes, read it and weep. mountain grammy Nov 2016 #11

OMG THAT IS EXCELLENT! BumRushDaShow Nov 2016 #17

Good article, but ... KPN Nov 2016 #24

I agree with the alternate reality based on fundigelical religion.... paleotn Nov 2016 #31

Yep, the rural rust belt will never vote for Democratic presidential candidates gollygee Nov 2016 #52

Lol the rust belt states were blue realmirage Nov 2016 #60

The states are generally blue but NOT because of rural areas! gollygee Nov 2016 #62

Agreed. Dustlawyer Nov 2016 #10

Agreed! Although ... KPN Nov 2016 #23

Yup! We need to ignore the naysayers and work to make this happen ourselves. KPN Nov 2016 #25

The campaign gambled, and the campaign lost.... vi5 Nov 2016 #30

I can agree with this, I posted several rants against Podesta et al radius777 Nov 2016 #45

K & R n/t TubbersUK Nov 2016 #2

The loudest people shouting to change the Democratic Party have never supported the Democratic Party baldguy Nov 2016 #8

a million! eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #48

Hillary DID have a strong message for both social and economic justice. pnwmom Nov 2016 #9

Sadly I agree. mountain grammy Nov 2016 #12

Don't forget... Else You Are Mad Nov 2016 #15

Hillary did have a relatively strong economic message. KPN Nov 2016 #22

She didn't connect and yet his racist, sexist message wasn't a problem. pnwmom Nov 2016 #42

Yes, it tells us what was more important for some people. KPN Nov 2016 #56

Bingo! As I've written in this thread and elsewhere... Garrett78 Nov 2016 #40

That's a really interesting, if depressing, piece. Thanks! n/t pnwmom Nov 2016 #41

Sure thing. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #43

Yes, she had both while someone else kept saying that the social issues weren't important. JTFrog Nov 2016 #55

Thank you. whathehell Nov 2016 #14

Perfect! KPN Nov 2016 #21

These are all side issues..... The real problem is voting machines being hacked UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #16

Kudos for pointing out what should be obvious ... KPN Nov 2016 #20

Obama managed to balance both messages just fine... vi5 Nov 2016 #28

Yes, but in this election that did not happen, and now in dealing with the aftermath, Yo_Mama Nov 2016 #34

No, I agree completely.... vi5 Nov 2016 #36

2012 was a different universe radius777 Nov 2016 #46

I absolutely agree Beearewhyain Nov 2016 #29

It definitely is not. Thank you for posting this. Yo_Mama Nov 2016 #32

I think North Carolina proved you need both social and eco justice Jersey Devil Nov 2016 #33

Democrats writing off half the electorate many a good man Nov 2016 #35

Trump won't be lowering their taxes. He's going to be slashing the taxes pnwmom Nov 2016 #44

working whites voted Dem back then because the party turned a blind eye radius777 Nov 2016 #47

We've got a ways to go before we can claim to respect ALL cultures Dems to Win Nov 2016 #37

It's the messenger, not the message. Look at Trump for proof of that. randome Nov 2016 #38

Yes bravenak Nov 2016 #49

A substantial portion of (mostly white) America cannot be reached by the Democratic Party. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #39

True but that isn't an excuse to stop contesting for the ones you can even if they look like the TheKentuckian Nov 2016 #61

correct. it is not either/or or us vs. them. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #50

Personally, I think they've focused on social issues more than economic ones, CrispyQ Nov 2016 #53

Thank you RBInMaine for the positive and correct message. nt/kr PufPuf23 Nov 2016 #54

Makes perfect sense mtnsnake Nov 2016 #58