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2016 Postmortem

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JHan

(10,173 posts)
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 02:17 PM Nov 2016

We can find a balance, so in the spirit of honesty.. [View all]

Last edited Mon Nov 28, 2016, 06:31 PM - Edit history (3)

..here goes.


an analysis of all the thingzz..

Hillary Herself:

I worried about a Hillary run. Not because I didn't believe she would be a competent, or even great President, but because I knew many people don't *get* her and that she is subversive.Subversive in the sense that she is not your typical charismatic politician. One of the supposedly damaging wikileaks wall street excerpts is her saying she doesn't like promising more than she can deliver - she damned near endeared me to her for life with that - it is rare for a politician to admit that, but throughout her life, Hillary has been a straight shooter, and overtime hides this, learning that there is a price to pay for being blunt, especially if you're a woman. Still she needed to be in I don't give a fuck mode this election, and drop it. Trump got away with it, why not her? Instead she came across as too scripted, too predictable. And this is not who she truly is - I give the DNC and the Clinton Camp a solid "F" for manufacturing her image to the teeth. To Hillary's credit she admitted she was out of touch, and her campaign needed to focus on "Optics". Optics is all fluff but it matters and in August it mattered. Right after the convention, the very last thing Hillary should have contemplated was conventionality. Sure , August is the month when presidential candidates have their fund raisers - but cloistering with private donors with no invitation to the press - this was pure tone-deafness. She needed to ride the wave from the high of the DNC convention and rally hard without waiting for Trump to fuck up.So the overall perception of her was that she was a creature of the donor class, someone who didn't *get* it even though her policies screamed how well she DID get it.

... Hillary's scandals a.k.a a bunch of bullshit.

As much as I admire Hillary's attitude of "fuck it they're gonna attack me anyway" - not everyone appreciates that in a politician. She doesn't handle scandal well, she is not teflon. Benghazi was a Witch Hunt, the Email crap was some overwrought nonsense with as much intrigue as a dead horse, which republicans and their circus monkeys in the media beat to a pulp. Hillary needed to own up to it early on, her first explanations were torturous. She just needed to say "Look I messed up, my bad" - instead, like white water, it became a long drawn year long obsession which needed to be nipped in the bud.

Bernie Himself:

Yes Bernie is part of this tragedy. As I said elsewhere today:

Bernie supporters need to own up to him dividing the party.

There are ways to do things, and ways not to do things - he chose the latter.

If Bernie really wanted to sway Democrats he needed to pay his dues and show loyalty to the party - any organization would demand this including the libertarians and green party.

He needed to join the Dems in 2012, instead of threatening to primary Obama - work on making his case among the rank and file Dems. Ally himself with other progressive groups, work on establishing coalitions. Put a laser focus on recapturing the house, and hone a group of 30 progressives to capture districts held by moderate Republicans or even take the risk and aim for more right leaning districts. He also needed to out-manoeuvre his critics by showing he's serious through sound policy proposals - which would require he make more refined and detailed arguments instead of going on and on about "The billionaire class" The best way to shut down your critics is show you understand their views and predicaments better than they even do, and counter their claims. There were other things he could have done - and of course HRC needed to take all that advice as well.

But Bernie did none of this. He decided he and his cause were more important than the party - this is just a failure of politics on his part. His establishment arguments were slogans, his economic arguments and analogies made no sense didn't add up, especially for someone like me who hungers for detail from politicians. And after the dust was settled, Trump had a smorgasbord of criticisms to aim at HRC and the Dems, courtesy Sanders himself. I am not saying he is a bad man, I'm saying he did not approach this strategically, and unwittingly made it more difficult for Democrats who historically find it tough to recapture the Presidency in an incumbent year.

HOWEVER, I am thankful to Bernie for sparkling life into the party, we now have a grassroots movement we can capitalize on, we just need to be armed to the teeth with better ideas and better solutions and better ARGUMENTS than the republicans are offering. He also made me realise that I shouldn't feel the right has a monopoly on stupid, nutjob conspiracy theorists - I'm looking at you CounterPunch and JPR (or whatever they're called).

The DNC.

It was unnecessary for the DNC to play favorites. Yes, in light of all I just said about Bernie coming in like a wrecking ball, HRC was a strong candidate, a woman who gave her life to the Dems for 30 years of her life so why play favorites - it was bound to look bad , especially to my fellow millennials, who all loved the SEEMING sincerity and honesty of Sanders. It was just unnecessary politricking.

That said, the collusion between SOME in the media and DNC operatives is nothing new - and will continue between members of ALL parties. Nothing with change after this. Politics folks.

EDIT: Frazzled and I engaged on this favoritism argument- check reply #7. I note Eichenwald's piece but maintain perception is reality - even if perception is based on falsehoods ( for the most part)

The Hillary Platform


I have few complaints. She needed to run more jobs ads but overall, few complaints from me. Hillary had a diverse team, a ridiculously inclusive platform. Her utilitarian speech at the DNC convention was her trying to satisfy everyone - what more do you want people? Blood?

Dumbass Media .

that's all I have to say , WaPo you tried your best though.

EDIT: No wait I will say more - Grading the Orange Idiot on a curve, dragging Hillary down to his level because you want a horse race, covering his rallies to the exclusion of other candidates giving policy speeches ( CANDIDATES WHO BOTHERED TO BE COHERENT) , refusing to understand or expend intellectual energy into understanding why the fuck "Goddamn" emails were a thing - I'm looking at you Joe Scarborough for subjecting me to your idiocy all year- I tried to avoid you, but wherever I happened to be on a morning, some establishment would have you and Mica on TV with your nonsense analysis, proving beyond a doubt that there is a divine reason I avoid Cable News Media. And overall failing at being the Fourth Estate, the guardians, the ones to tell us what is bullshit and what is not, and instead opting to react to Trump's foolishness thereby normalizing him instead of dissecting his shit.

Thanks MEDIA for BEING YOU.

*ASSORTED FUCKERIES*

- Russian Fuckeries - How is this not a thing? Why aren't Americans fucking enraged?
- Assange and his fuckery. Where Julian turned Wiki into a Trump super-pac. Wikileaks basically became the NY Post.
- FBI fuckery. Really Comey? REALLY? REALLY???
- Sexist Bullshit

How she pulled off a pop vote in spite of all these assorted fuckeries is miraculous.


VOTERS:

I reserve my greatest anger and frustration with voters.

Yes, sometimes the "people" get the government they deserve.

Dear Voter:

you need to give a fuck about policy, you need to understand the economy, you need to read, and you need to question your own assumptions about the world by subjecting those assumptions to debate and exposing yourself to different views and perspectives.

you need to question and challenge what politicians tell you, even if they seem "nice" and "sincere", and the moment they offer milk and honey IS THE MOMENT YOU GET SUSPICIOUS.

you need to vote strategically. No one survives in politics with clean hands - there is always a story of collusion or a stench of favoritism - the point is STRATEGY. Republican voters understand this, largely because core Republican demographics are staunchly fundamentalist. They understood this year that the Supreme Court was important, that undoing Obama's awful (in their eyes) executive orders was important ( for them) - and some who voted Trump were so focused on God and Guns, they forgot their healthcare coverage could end up being on the line. Meanwhile progressives were caught up in purity politics - we always end up doing this - and many of my peers were consumed with ideas of perfection in a candidate -

---The perfect candidate is a pink tailed UNICORN found at the edge of a rainbow - they don't exist and if they do , they're in a parallel universe. Not even Obama was perfect.

And when Trump's populist economic ideas take root and we suffer the effects, voters need to look themselves in the mirror and blame themselves for their apathy , their complacency and their shortsightedness.

Politicians cannot do everything for you. No one can save you but yourself.

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I don't accept the notion that Sanders "split the party...." mike_c Nov 2016 #1
You're welcomed to not accepting it.. JHan Nov 2016 #2
He lost the primary. He got over it. Some of his voters didn't. LisaL Nov 2016 #18
to be fair, the corrupt DNC chairperson had her thumb on the scale.... mike_c Nov 2016 #19
Why didn't Sanders move like Obama in 2008? Oh right, Obama prepared himself.. JHan Nov 2016 #22
yeah well, one thing we do know with certainty... mike_c Nov 2016 #24
Bingo! sfwriter Nov 2016 #29
I recommend you take a look at Kurt Eichenwald's post mortem in Newsweek emulatorloo Nov 2016 #28
I've read it... mike_c Nov 2016 #30
No, he's disaffected with BoB's. As you know most Bernie primary supporters aren't BoB's emulatorloo Nov 2016 #33
I think you really underestimate just how many/much people disliked Hillary, and it wasn't all from jmg257 Nov 2016 #3
Agreed, also sexism. JHan Nov 2016 #8
I didn't like Comey's stunts back in July or whenever and I didn't appreciate two weeks before.. JHan Nov 2016 #10
Agreed...he chose to inject himself is a great way to put it. jmg257 Nov 2016 #13
I agree on everything heaven05 Nov 2016 #4
In what way did the DNC favor Hillary? frazzled Nov 2016 #5
I agree with him on the basic facts but there was the appearance of favoritism.. JHan Nov 2016 #7
Can you explain what you mean by "appearance" frazzled Nov 2016 #9
I mostly gathered it from people's perception of it .. whether true or not.. JHan Nov 2016 #12
Yet all those things you mention have been debunked as provably false frazzled Nov 2016 #14
I agree ...no arguments from me. JHan Nov 2016 #15
Donna Brazile fed at least one debate question on Flint to Hillary. Qutzupalotl Nov 2016 #11
Recommended. Very well written, and I agree with much of your analysis. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #6
thanks :) JHan Nov 2016 #17
Very thoughtful and well written........ suston96 Nov 2016 #16
Dude, his economics didn't add up for you. And I'm pretty sure Sanders JCanete Nov 2016 #20
I'm not a dude. JHan Nov 2016 #21
Sorry about the "dude" thing. I'm not questioning your motives, I'm saying that I think that JCanete Nov 2016 #23
Oh I think it's worth discussing though.. JHan Nov 2016 #27
Brazile's granted, minor bias towards a candidate hardly turned the primaries. It is simply JCanete Nov 2016 #35
Sanders is an alt-left whiner. radius777 Nov 2016 #25
JHan - thank you for the honest introspection Red Oak Nov 2016 #26
Thanks Red Oak :) JHan Nov 2016 #31
Those were my reservations as well (though whiner is a bit cruel ;) ) JHan Nov 2016 #32
You said... ms liberty Nov 2016 #34
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