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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: We can find a balance, so in the spirit of honesty.. [View all]frazzled
(18,402 posts)5. In what way did the DNC favor Hillary?
Kurt Eichenwald debunked that myth quite effectively in his post-election Newsweek piece.
The Myth of the All-Powerful Democratic National Committee
Easily the most ridiculous argument this year was that the DNC was some sort of monolith that orchestrated the nomination of Hillary Clinton against the will of the people. This was immensely popular with the Bernie-or-Busters, those who declared themselves unwilling to vote for Clinton under any circumstances because the Democratic primary had been rigged (and how many of these people laughed when Trump started moaning about election rigging?). ...
Start with this: The DNC, just like the Republican National Committee, is an impotent organization with very little power. It is composed of the chair and vice chair of the Democratic parties of each state, along with over 200 members elected by Democrats. What it does is fundraise, organize the Democratic National Convention and put together the party platform. It handles some organizational activity but tries to hold down its expenditures during the primaries; it has no authority to coordinate spending with any candidate until the partys nominee is selected. ...
The first big criticism this year was that the DNC had sponsored only six debates between Clinton and Bernie Sanders in some sort of conspiracy to impede the Vermont senator. This rage was built on ignorance: The DNC at first announced it would sponsor six debates in 2016, just as it had in 2008 and 2004. ... Still, in the face of rage by Sanders supporters, the number of DNC-sponsored debates went up to ninemore than have been held in almost 30 years. Plans for a 10th one, scheduled for May 24, were abandoned after it became mathematically impossible for Sanders to win the nomination.
Notice that these were only DNC-sponsored debates. There were also 13 forums, sponsored by other organizations. So thats 22 debates and forums, of which 14 were only for two candidates, Clinton and Sanders. Compare that with 2008: there were 17 debates and forums with between six and eight candidates; only six with two candidates, less than half the number in 2016.
Next, the infamous hack of DNC emails that proved the organization had its thumb on the scale for Clinton. Perhaps nothing has been more frustrating for people in the politics business to address, because the conspiracy is based on ignorance. Almost every email that set off the rigged accusations was from May 2016. (One was in late April; Ill address that below.) Even in the most ridiculous of dream worlds, Sanders could not have possibly won the nomination after May 3at that point, he needed 984 more pledged delegates, but there were only 933 available in the remaining contests. ...
Sanders voters proclaimed that superdelegates, elected officials and party regulars who controlled thousands of votes, could flip their support and instead vote for the candidate with the fewest votes. In other words, they wanted the party to overthrow the will of the majority of voters.
More at: http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
Easily the most ridiculous argument this year was that the DNC was some sort of monolith that orchestrated the nomination of Hillary Clinton against the will of the people. This was immensely popular with the Bernie-or-Busters, those who declared themselves unwilling to vote for Clinton under any circumstances because the Democratic primary had been rigged (and how many of these people laughed when Trump started moaning about election rigging?). ...
Start with this: The DNC, just like the Republican National Committee, is an impotent organization with very little power. It is composed of the chair and vice chair of the Democratic parties of each state, along with over 200 members elected by Democrats. What it does is fundraise, organize the Democratic National Convention and put together the party platform. It handles some organizational activity but tries to hold down its expenditures during the primaries; it has no authority to coordinate spending with any candidate until the partys nominee is selected. ...
The first big criticism this year was that the DNC had sponsored only six debates between Clinton and Bernie Sanders in some sort of conspiracy to impede the Vermont senator. This rage was built on ignorance: The DNC at first announced it would sponsor six debates in 2016, just as it had in 2008 and 2004. ... Still, in the face of rage by Sanders supporters, the number of DNC-sponsored debates went up to ninemore than have been held in almost 30 years. Plans for a 10th one, scheduled for May 24, were abandoned after it became mathematically impossible for Sanders to win the nomination.
Notice that these were only DNC-sponsored debates. There were also 13 forums, sponsored by other organizations. So thats 22 debates and forums, of which 14 were only for two candidates, Clinton and Sanders. Compare that with 2008: there were 17 debates and forums with between six and eight candidates; only six with two candidates, less than half the number in 2016.
Next, the infamous hack of DNC emails that proved the organization had its thumb on the scale for Clinton. Perhaps nothing has been more frustrating for people in the politics business to address, because the conspiracy is based on ignorance. Almost every email that set off the rigged accusations was from May 2016. (One was in late April; Ill address that below.) Even in the most ridiculous of dream worlds, Sanders could not have possibly won the nomination after May 3at that point, he needed 984 more pledged delegates, but there were only 933 available in the remaining contests. ...
Sanders voters proclaimed that superdelegates, elected officials and party regulars who controlled thousands of votes, could flip their support and instead vote for the candidate with the fewest votes. In other words, they wanted the party to overthrow the will of the majority of voters.
More at: http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
Bernie Sanders was treated with kid gloves and all the respect due any candidate, and rules were not changed with respect to any recent Democratic primaries. Do you believe the RNC favored Donald Trump among its 16 candidates?
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No, he's disaffected with BoB's. As you know most Bernie primary supporters aren't BoB's
emulatorloo
Nov 2016
#33
I think you really underestimate just how many/much people disliked Hillary, and it wasn't all from
jmg257
Nov 2016
#3
I didn't like Comey's stunts back in July or whenever and I didn't appreciate two weeks before..
JHan
Nov 2016
#10
Sorry about the "dude" thing. I'm not questioning your motives, I'm saying that I think that
JCanete
Nov 2016
#23