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JHan

(10,173 posts)
27. Oh I think it's worth discussing though..
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 06:00 PM
Nov 2016

I think we should have discussed all these things whole year -----

Unfortunately this was not a policy driven election cycle - and this pained me in the worst way. We're in 2016, we're on the brink literally - we can't afford to fuck up. And messages and ideas were just floated about this year and not challenged.

I'll give you an example of how myopic the criticism of the DNC was ----

Take the Debate Questions. The issue there for me wasn't that Donna Brazile got some questions. Although to be honest, my eyes rolled back so hard in my head when there was such a fuss about it I saw my brain. Because this happens all the time. We don't hear about it though. And the faux outrage from CNN was pretty rich. Political Operatives and Media have a mutually beneficial relationship. A you-scratch-my-back-i-scratch-yours deal. I organize an interview with my candidate, you give me something in return. The media delights in this because their correspondents get dibs on leaks and interviews. And a question about water pollution during the debates in flint? If that was the best Donna could do?..

So the issue there isn't Donna, but how to reform our debate formats. Get them out of the control of news corporations because the debates are a waste of time. The Commander's Forum this year? A waste of time. The debates have always been more about performance than substance. And we then confuse performance with competence. And we suffer the consequences and become more disenchanted with the political process when he need to engage in it with persistence and fortitude. We forget we have power.

Everyone was focused on Donna herself instead of the power structure involved, the system of debates where candidates have too much say in what gets asked, and other conditions. Why don't other groups handle these debates - where the feet of presidential hopefuls are really held to the fire!

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I don't accept the notion that Sanders "split the party...." mike_c Nov 2016 #1
You're welcomed to not accepting it.. JHan Nov 2016 #2
He lost the primary. He got over it. Some of his voters didn't. LisaL Nov 2016 #18
to be fair, the corrupt DNC chairperson had her thumb on the scale.... mike_c Nov 2016 #19
Why didn't Sanders move like Obama in 2008? Oh right, Obama prepared himself.. JHan Nov 2016 #22
yeah well, one thing we do know with certainty... mike_c Nov 2016 #24
Bingo! sfwriter Nov 2016 #29
I recommend you take a look at Kurt Eichenwald's post mortem in Newsweek emulatorloo Nov 2016 #28
I've read it... mike_c Nov 2016 #30
No, he's disaffected with BoB's. As you know most Bernie primary supporters aren't BoB's emulatorloo Nov 2016 #33
I think you really underestimate just how many/much people disliked Hillary, and it wasn't all from jmg257 Nov 2016 #3
Agreed, also sexism. JHan Nov 2016 #8
I didn't like Comey's stunts back in July or whenever and I didn't appreciate two weeks before.. JHan Nov 2016 #10
Agreed...he chose to inject himself is a great way to put it. jmg257 Nov 2016 #13
I agree on everything heaven05 Nov 2016 #4
In what way did the DNC favor Hillary? frazzled Nov 2016 #5
I agree with him on the basic facts but there was the appearance of favoritism.. JHan Nov 2016 #7
Can you explain what you mean by "appearance" frazzled Nov 2016 #9
I mostly gathered it from people's perception of it .. whether true or not.. JHan Nov 2016 #12
Yet all those things you mention have been debunked as provably false frazzled Nov 2016 #14
I agree ...no arguments from me. JHan Nov 2016 #15
Donna Brazile fed at least one debate question on Flint to Hillary. Qutzupalotl Nov 2016 #11
Recommended. Very well written, and I agree with much of your analysis. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #6
thanks :) JHan Nov 2016 #17
Very thoughtful and well written........ suston96 Nov 2016 #16
Dude, his economics didn't add up for you. And I'm pretty sure Sanders JCanete Nov 2016 #20
I'm not a dude. JHan Nov 2016 #21
Sorry about the "dude" thing. I'm not questioning your motives, I'm saying that I think that JCanete Nov 2016 #23
Oh I think it's worth discussing though.. JHan Nov 2016 #27
Brazile's granted, minor bias towards a candidate hardly turned the primaries. It is simply JCanete Nov 2016 #35
Sanders is an alt-left whiner. radius777 Nov 2016 #25
JHan - thank you for the honest introspection Red Oak Nov 2016 #26
Thanks Red Oak :) JHan Nov 2016 #31
Those were my reservations as well (though whiner is a bit cruel ;) ) JHan Nov 2016 #32
You said... ms liberty Nov 2016 #34
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