2016 Postmortem

JHan

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51. I am not interested in a populist message that is a lie..

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 06:57 PM

Dec 2016

or offers false hope.

Hillary needed a strong overall message to pierce through the noise but I am not interested in slogans - and there are many people out there like me.

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In the end, Bernie Sanders was right, and what the Democrats need to learn from his campaign. [View all] Yavin4 Dec 2016 OP

Except "Most progressive platform" in decades and the "revolution" failed to show up. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #1

The revolution was DOA leftofcool Dec 2016 #5

lol, the revolution is JUST GETTING STARTED! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #126

Just what we need....more unicorn talk. democrank Dec 2016 #7

We tried the moderate position this time around and lost. white_wolf Dec 2016 #18

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Check your ageism. Sanders' ideas are not old fashioned and he appears to be in great shape. JudyM Dec 2016 #109

His ideas are amazing. I voted for him and donated to his campaign. white_wolf Dec 2016 #112

Sanders' star has just begun to rise, now that he has national visibility. He will continue to find JudyM Dec 2016 #116

You got that right! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #131

Yes Judy... Bernie is young at heart! Gotta love him!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #127

if "Failed to show up" means getting the 4th most Democratic primary votes in the history of yodermon Dec 2016 #9

THE PRIMARY WAS NOT THE GENERAL ELECTION. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #13

Absolutely. They are unable to see the full picture. JudyM Dec 2016 #22

The "swath" wasn't big enough to win a primary, and that "swath" said fuck you to America... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #25

the swath is a TREND, which mainstream Dems are ignoring for some reason yodermon Dec 2016 #37

This is false on its face by so many empirical indicators, Sanders swath was not even as diverse uponit7771 Dec 2016 #39

I am not interested in a populist message that is a lie.. JHan Dec 2016 #51

+1, more people like you and me than those who believed in unicorn solutions uponit7771 Dec 2016 #64

You are right about the distraction... sfwriter Dec 2016 #80

#1, don't nominate a candidate who spends a year BlueProgressive Dec 2016 #94

Every time gop-lite dems lose, they lash out and blame mainstream liberals, who dionysus Dec 2016 #56

Bingo.. disillusioned73 Dec 2016 #101

Thank you. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #49

You clappin in my ear teyin to make me deaf? That's it! Put up yer dukes! dionysus Dec 2016 #59

Hey dion. You're back! And in fightin' form I see. I've missed you. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #60

I moved home to help dad the last few years when he was dying of cancer. My heart just dionysus Dec 2016 #61

Sorry about your dad. Been there, done that with both parents. It takes time. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #62

What youre calling "far left" used to be mainstream liberal. You guys keep moving dionysus Dec 2016 #55

Take away late voter registration, selective co-opting, faux DNC scandals, etc... TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #76

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Pack a bag then. nt BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #111

There it is. Oakenshield Dec 2016 #130

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In the end? Bernie was right about everything from the very beginning! putitinD Dec 2016 #2

Yes, he was. potone Dec 2016 #10

Rally size and hypothetical match-up polling mean next to nothing. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #12

Yeah at least Bernie didn't brag about grabbing women by the p***y yodermon Dec 2016 #17

It meant nothing to Trump supporters. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #87

Neither does "it's her turn." JudyM Dec 2016 #23

You know I never heard anyone use that as a rallying cry for HRC. Nor did I ever hear HRC say it. Fla Dem Dec 2016 #24

You can't be serious! She was denied in'08, etc etc... JudyM Dec 2016 #36

So what, show me where she used it as a reason for voting for her? Fla Dem Dec 2016 #43

I'm not the least bit interested in looking up her old quotes, that's ridiculous. So if that makes JudyM Dec 2016 #66

Never heard anyone say "It's her turn" other than alleged Bernie supporters. emulatorloo Dec 2016 #47

Well it's Bernie's turn now! Go Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #132

He was un-electable. He lost the primary election. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #14

Primaries are closed to independents.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #32

22 states have open primaries. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #45

That unjustified smug superiority is part of the problem.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #72

Again, know your history. Bernie won Wisconsin's primary with Republican votes. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #98

I have a right to be smug. Bernie would have beat Trump. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #106

"Hey Norm, if the moon were made out of cheese, would you eat it?" BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #107

It's not just ME saying that. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #108

Most independents are party loyalists. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #90

Here in Vegas that caucuses were a joke.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #92

Your theory is bernie was unelectable. What's fact is Hillary actually WAS dionysus Dec 2016 #58

She lost but that doesn't mean she was unelectable. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #91

Point is if she was so good it shouldn't have been close! dionysus Dec 2016 #93

He was not right about Cornell West so this is false on its face uponit7771 Dec 2016 #26

You think that is what Donald Trump offers and that is why he won? OMG.. boston bean Dec 2016 #3

Oh FFS! leftofcool Dec 2016 #4

I was surprised that Schumer was very positive speaking of Bernie & his ideas for outreach think Dec 2016 #6

Why don't you do a little research on all the candidates the Bernie revolution supported Fresh_Start Dec 2016 #8

here's some research killbotfactory Dec 2016 #11

Thanks for posting /nt think Dec 2016 #15

That appears to be a list of people who won state-level office in mostly-blue states. BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #16

Not bad! white_wolf Dec 2016 #19

Wow. Is this 1996. BainsBane Dec 2016 #20

Some old shit ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #21

Yeap, I don't believe some of this bullshit that is posted here. There was NOTHING about Clinton tha uponit7771 Dec 2016 #28

Her staff didn't run her 3rd way, they ran a litany of "hits" that didn't form a positive plan. jake335544 Dec 2016 #50

We need to learn not to let non democrats run in our primaries bravenak Dec 2016 #27

and keep running even after they've lost. grossproffit Dec 2016 #67

As a former Bernie supporter, when did you come to that conclusion? JCanete Dec 2016 #113

When I saw how he had no skin in the game and tore down our party bravenak Dec 2016 #122

Is the party still what its about? I'm not interested in rooting for the home team, I'm interested JCanete Dec 2016 #124

This is party politics. bravenak Dec 2016 #125

well I spoke to party politics in my post, and the strategy you advocate. nt JCanete Dec 2016 #129

I would mention that Sanders no longer calls himself a Democrat. stopbush Dec 2016 #29

I disagree completely...and Bernie could not even win a primary so we don't need to take advice Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #30

Also we had the most progressive platform in my memory...but Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #31

Polling showed that the vast majority of Sanders supporters voted for Clinton. eom guillaumeb Dec 2016 #44

In a close election...the ones who didn't could have made the difference. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #96

Very possible. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #103

No one reads the platform jake335544 Dec 2016 #78

I know that, but we had a divisive battle about it...didn't we? Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #95

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Thank goodness we still have Hillary supporters to deal with posts like this.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #33

Bernie should be challenged. Especially by his own supporters nt NWCorona Dec 2016 #42

A New Deal Part 2? guillaumeb Dec 2016 #34

Exactly. Give the people a list of how your policies will improve their lives. Yavin4 Dec 2016 #35

And, as Trump's campaign showed, slogans can be effective. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #38

Speak in broad policy terms like both Bernie and Trump did. Yavin4 Dec 2016 #40

Agreed. And this should be done starting very early next year to lay the groundwork for 2018 and to guillaumeb Dec 2016 #41

Yes, this is why Russ Feingold and Zephyr Teachout won in big landslides! emulatorloo Dec 2016 #46

I'm happy Teachout lost... /sarcasm jake335544 Dec 2016 #48

Yes, Sanders was right when he said that "Hillary on her worst day is an infinitely better lapucelle Dec 2016 #52

Big ideas definitely needed; elleng Dec 2016 #53

Free tuition and I cannot remember what else Sanders was campaigning for Kolesar Dec 2016 #54

So if he knows what the problem is, why did he lose the Democratic primary by 3 million? (nt) ehrnst Dec 2016 #57

the miscalculation... djsunyc Dec 2016 #63

Lesson #1 - At Rallies "Lock Her/Him Up" Chants Work otohara Dec 2016 #65

Democrats all over need to start advocating tuition-free college. Tatiana Dec 2016 #68

Yep. And Lowering the debt burden of student loans. Yavin4 Dec 2016 #69

He was right about the angst many in our country feel agalisgv Dec 2016 #70

No, and no. nt stevenleser Dec 2016 #71

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McGovern 2020! go further left after GOP ascendancy! TuslaUltra Dec 2016 #75

Humphrey's team literally campaigned for Nixon... Should we go further than Bernie or Bust tactics? jake335544 Dec 2016 #81

Because the party's move ever further to the right over the last 35 years has served us so well nt dflprincess Dec 2016 #86

So true... the country has moved right...they elected fascist Reagan/Trump Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #97

It's going to take a lot of fighting to survive Trump! Joe941 Dec 2016 #99

Correct Cosmocat Dec 2016 #120

Dare to be great. HassleCat Dec 2016 #79

Bernie inadvertently helped Trump, paving the way for him pnwmom Dec 2016 #82

Unforgivable otohara Dec 2016 #83

I've noticed that. He never changes. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #85

Hillary inadvertently helped Trump by being vulnerable on all these issues, and being mealy mouthed JCanete Dec 2016 #115

Bernie would have been vulnerable on a 2-foot thick folder of issues, pnwmom Dec 2016 #118

comment on that Eichenwald tweet already. That was like out of the Trump playbook. JCanete Dec 2016 #119

No, you didn't. I wasn't referring to a tweet. pnwmom Dec 2016 #135

why would you come back at me with the nonsense that I thought Bernie would have been our savior? JCanete Dec 2016 #136

Correct Cosmocat Dec 2016 #121

I think Bernie's big ideas combined with a young charismatic candidate andym Dec 2016 #88

If sanders was right, zephyr teachout and La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #89

This is true. I think Sanders is pushing for the right things, but that doesn't mean JCanete Dec 2016 #128

I'm glad you had the guts to say it. Joe941 Dec 2016 #100

One could also argue that the BS voters decided to burn the country to the ground than get some... liberal N proud Dec 2016 #102

He wasn't just right "in the end," but was right all along. Orsino Dec 2016 #104

No reason these programs couldn't have been done except kacekwl Dec 2016 #105

Despite Sanders losing in the primary? LiberalFighter Dec 2016 #114

He was a no-name candidate nationally before he ran. killbotfactory Dec 2016 #117

NO. About 80,000 voters too many in 3 states wanted to believe LIES. Persondem Dec 2016 #123

Big unabashed, progressive, policy proposals sounds great. Eko Dec 2016 #133

You don't worry about getting them through. Yavin4 Dec 2016 #138

K&R SMC22307 Dec 2016 #137

This kind of thinking is such a joke. stevenleser Dec 2016 #139