2016 Postmortem

Kathy M

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61. I pulled up a map from 1992 election .... Yes things change, people move , events happen

Fri Dec 2, 2016, 05:56 PM

Dec 2016

Pretty big change in map since 1992 though . Excuses can be made if anyone would like to , but they are not helpful nor constructive for the future ... its a persons choice .......... Here is the link to 1992 map http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/showelection.php?year=1992

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Party Presidential Nominee Vice Prsidential Electoral Vote Popular Vote
Democratic winner William J. Clinton Albert Gore, Jr. 370 68.8% 44,909,326 43.0%
Republican George Bush Dan Quayle 168 31.2% 39,103,882 37.4%
Independent H. Ross Perot James Stockdale 0 0% 19,741,657 18.9 % "

The above is from article ........ Yes we have a bigger population now ..... I see no reason why third or fourth party cannot run Is it not up to the person running and the party ?

Yes , I did vote for Perot in 1992..........

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Jill Stein spoiled the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton [View all] DonViejo Dec 2016 OP

Many of them are liberal isolationists. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #1

Let's take the politicial spectrum into the third dimension and just call them "the bottom." BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #2

Why not just call them Deplorables? That worked so well the last time ! pangaia Dec 2016 #58

They shouldn't have had a like-minded candidate in our Democratic primary. yallerdawg Dec 2016 #18

Not in "our primary". NCTraveler Dec 2016 #19

No "liberal isolationist" won the primary up there? yallerdawg Dec 2016 #23

Stein and her recount RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #3

An assumption HassleCat Dec 2016 #4

Thank you dragonfly301 Dec 2016 #34

I think it is relevant, because many of them will be running to the polls to vote D next time. BzaDem Dec 2016 #42

I guess they showed us, then, huh? MineralMan Dec 2016 #5

What kind of idiots voted for Stein? Angry supporters of some primary also ran? nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #6

That certainly describes a lot of them samir.g Dec 2016 #49

Which is why she's doing the recounts. She doesn't want to be labeled the next Nader brush Dec 2016 #7

add self-promotion & filling her coffer$ n/t RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #9

That too. brush Dec 2016 #13

Hillary cannot fail; she can only be failed by others. Larkspur Dec 2016 #8

There is plenty of blame to go around. Also a lot of success to look at. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #17

In WI Stein lost half her polling points to Trump per RCP's aggregate. ucrdem Dec 2016 #10

And these recounts will just reinforce that BigBadDem Dec 2016 #11

How about Hillary Clinton spoiled the election for Bernie Sanders? mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #12

This for the love of God nt retrowire Dec 2016 #21

Yes snpsmom Dec 2016 #29

Agreed! denvine Dec 2016 #35

By winning the primary? BzaDem Dec 2016 #43

So pissed....n/t asuhornets Dec 2016 #14

How many Stein voters would have stayed home if Stein wasn't in the race? davidn3600 Dec 2016 #15

There would have been another Green Party candidate for them to vote for. progressoid Dec 2016 #31

If this is true, then the Democratic Party needs to figure out a way to attract more Green voters. jalan48 Dec 2016 #16

Naw, it's more fun to trash them for their disloyalty. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #28

That'll bring em back... ybbor Dec 2016 #39

We've seen they don't WANT them back.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #46

Not really. Trump will do that quite nicely on his own. They will mostly be running back next time. BzaDem Dec 2016 #44

I see. It's not the Party that needs to change, it's the voters. jalan48 Dec 2016 #47

I don't know what you mean by "needs to change." I am saying that the voters WILL change. BzaDem Dec 2016 #50

She got lots of these voters this time around. She just didn't get all of them. jalan48 Dec 2016 #55

I'm just talking about people who voted for Jill Stein, which she didn't get any of by definition. BzaDem Dec 2016 #56

You could well be right because of Trump winning. But after the 2020 election then what? jalan48 Dec 2016 #57

Please. No. They are of no benefit to the Democratic party, except being spoilers..n/t asuhornets Dec 2016 #51

Then don't complain about them spoiling the election for Hillary. It's really that simple. jalan48 Dec 2016 #52

no it is not that simple. jill stein and her supporters gave us trump...but i digress...nt asuhornets Dec 2016 #62

Well, not really. Hillary gave us Trump. She was his main opposition. jalan48 Dec 2016 #64

Hillary was the main opposition to Bernie supporters and the Green party.nt asuhornets Dec 2016 #66

Hillary got beat by a joke GummyBearz Dec 2016 #68

The most experienced person to ever run for Prsident was a joke according to you? n/t asuhornets Dec 2016 #69

What do you call trump? GummyBearz Dec 2016 #71

The people that voted for Trump or Stein or not at all were the big jokes. asuhornets Dec 2016 #72

Among all those jokers, she couldn't convince a few to vote for her? GummyBearz Dec 2016 #73

80,000 votes in three states was the difference. In one state Hillary lost by 10,000+ votes, asuhornets Dec 2016 #74

Apparently you are wrong GummyBearz Dec 2016 #75

She did lose to Trump because of the reasons I stated....nt asuhornets Dec 2016 #77

Yet the majority of Bernie supporters supported Hillary... Docreed2003 Dec 2016 #78

I agree. It will take time. But I agree we need to move forward. Feelings are still raw. nt asuhornets Dec 2016 #79

No doubt feelings are still raw... Docreed2003 Dec 2016 #80

I just hope it does bring progressives together to win in 2018 and beyond. nt asuhornets Dec 2016 #81

She won round one and lost round two, maybe. jalan48 Dec 2016 #83

Trump is the President now. Recount will not change that...n/t asuhornets Dec 2016 #84

Well, that's that then, she lost. Time to move on and work on 2018. jalan48 Dec 2016 #85

I agree...but asuhornets Dec 2016 #87

I was too about Bernie but I've decided to let it go. jalan48 Dec 2016 #90

Count me in...n/t asuhornets Dec 2016 #91

Yay more "blame game" posts. retrowire Dec 2016 #20

That is assuming more Stein voters would have... mwooldri Dec 2016 #22

well, of course they were more similarly aligned to Hillary than Gary Johnson Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #25

Oh, good thing next election we'll have no 3rd party candidates nor 3rd party voters yodermon Dec 2016 #24

It may be the case, but MarvinGardens Dec 2016 #26

Blame everyone else. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #27

What were the voter turnouts in those states? Retrograde Dec 2016 #30

Stein's anti-Hillary ads IN SWING STATES helped depress Dem votes. SunSeeker Dec 2016 #33

And Perot if you want to include the other side. Joe941 Dec 2016 #37

Perot's impact was neutral, since he actually took votes evenly from both sides. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #67

+1 RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #38

Yep. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #32

Stein's supporters were never going to vote Clinton even if Stein wasn't in the race-they are scum. Joe941 Dec 2016 #36

I certainly agree to an extent. RAFisher Dec 2016 #40

Sorry, but that does not logically follow. There is no reason to assume the majority... PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #41

Johnson drew more votes, and from Republicans nt NRQ891 Dec 2016 #45

Moneyball politics spoiled the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton That Guy 888 Dec 2016 #48

Excellent analysis Devil Child Dec 2016 #54

Agree Kathy M Dec 2016 #60

Its not just party leadership keeping their heads in the sand GummyBearz Dec 2016 #70

Correct Devil Child Dec 2016 #89

Which is why I do not think that greens should be participating in Democratic primaries Gothmog Dec 2016 #53

F*ck Nader!!! yeah, not. nobody owes dems their vote, and counting on the competition to TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #59

I pulled up a map from 1992 election .... Yes things change, people move , events happen Kathy M Dec 2016 #61

You mean it's not a huge conspiracy? MichMan Dec 2016 #63

Perhaps Michigan, but there's no way enough Stein voters would have voted Hillary jfern Dec 2016 #65

I think Clinton losing might have spoiled the election for her. David__77 Dec 2016 #76

I beg to disagree, it was not Jill Stein, it was the Johnson guy! akbacchus_BC Dec 2016 #82

Absolutely agree. He got the populists that didn't like tRump. JudyM Dec 2016 #86

Adding to what you said noamnety Dec 2016 #92

Someone ought to figure out how she could throw her votes over to Clinton now; drop out after-the- JudyM Dec 2016 #88

It's not her place to cast other people's votes for them. noamnety Dec 2016 #93

I heard a pundit last Sunday call Stien's re-count akin to going into your neighbor's house, and NRQ891 Dec 2016 #94