2016 Postmortem

EffieBlack

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35. You're completely missing the point

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:44 PM

Dec 2016

You're talking about percentages but you have absolutely no idea how many individual white people who voted for Obama turned around and voted for Trump this time around. You just know how many white people voted for Obama and Romney in 2012 and how many white people voted for Hillary and Trump in 2016.

So even if your claim that one cannot be a bigot if they voted for Obama held water - which it doesn't since voting for Obama does not absolve a bigot of their bigotry - the numbers you present don't make your point since they don't tell you how many of the white voters who voted for Obama voted for Trump in 2016. You don't know if those are the same voters.

But if you want to keep falling all over yourself defending voters who lined up with the Ku Klux Klan and Nazis to vote to put a racist in the White House, be my guest.

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White Trump voters that voted for Obama twice aren't racist, they are Emotion Voters [View all] NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 OP

Because Trump is a better liar and cheater. raging moderate Dec 2016 #1

I hope you are not saying that President Obama is a liar and a cheater!!! Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #29

Obama is not a Republicon. raging moderate Dec 2016 #68

I'll just repost a comment I made to another OP. stone space Dec 2016 #2

Or 6) Dude was trolling people in line NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #4

The plural of anecdote isn't data mythology Dec 2016 #25

It was in a major publication like NYT or WaPo. I forget exactly, but it wasn't anything obscure. stone space Dec 2016 #26

How many white Trump supporters voted for Obama? Drunken Irishman Dec 2016 #3

We are talking about the Rust Belt voters and Obama did much better than Clinton with them NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #5

And Obama did much worse among rust belt white voters than past white candidates... Drunken Irishman Dec 2016 #10

Kerry lost and 2004 was 12 years ago and you are talking one state NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #16

You're posing irrelevant figures... Drunken Irishman Dec 2016 #37

See post 30, I add percentages of 3rd party voters and percentages of Democrats that voted for Trump NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #39

You're not getting it. Drunken Irishman Dec 2016 #72

Turnout was about the same, higher in 2 states, lower in two and about the same in one NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #86

That doesn't mean that many Obama voters voted for Trump gollygee Dec 2016 #11

Agreed. It also means many Obama voters could have voted third party. Drunken Irishman Dec 2016 #12

or not voted at all still_one Dec 2016 #51

Most of the rust belt states had similar or higher turnout NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #62

Yeah, a lot of people who don't usually vote voted gollygee Dec 2016 #65

Where are your statistics and sources to back that up? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #67

I'm questioning the assumptions you're making based on those statistics. Nt gollygee Dec 2016 #70

The percentage of Third Party voters only went up 1-3% in the rust belt states NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #56

White working class usually Democratic voters as depicted by the map at the link below NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #22

I personally know five. I don't talk about politics that much with Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #31

I know one. I do talk politics with people. gollygee Dec 2016 #32

I don't know any. blue cat Dec 2016 #55

I think it had to do with local demographics/prosperity. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #94

As far as I can tell, you are right about the fewer votes from Dems. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #92

You're assuming these are the same voters from year to year EffieBlack Dec 2016 #15

No, it compares Obama's 2012 numbers and Clinton's 2016 numbers NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #30

You're completely missing the point EffieBlack Dec 2016 #35

DEMOCRATS that voted for Trump in the Rust Belt. D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-S NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #41

But you don't know if they're THE SAME DEMOCRATS EffieBlack Dec 2016 #43

11% of Democrats voted for George W. Bush gollygee Dec 2016 #45

What percentage of Rust Belt Democrats voted for Bush? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #48

I want to see why you think the same specific people who voted for Obama voted for Clinton gollygee Dec 2016 #50

You're misunderstanding the point I was making with those figures NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #52

So fewer of them showed up to vote gollygee Dec 2016 #53

Percentages are deceiving Tommy2Tone Dec 2016 #77

Here are the turnout numbers for 2012 vs 2016 NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #85

I'll concede that Tommy2Tone Dec 2016 #95

Some are racially motivated. HassleCat Dec 2016 #6

Yes some are, but many are not NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #7

Agree with you there. HassleCat Dec 2016 #8

Exactly...although there are definitely some who are, you can't lump people together NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #9

Middle Management at Ironic Co. Afromania Dec 2016 #14

Corporate takeover coming. HassleCat Dec 2016 #20

Post Takeover Afromania Dec 2016 #24

It might hurt their feelings. stone space Dec 2016 #75

I don't much care how Trump voters are labeled. Laurian Dec 2016 #13

Thank you! EffieBlack Dec 2016 #17

Exactly To The Point Me. Dec 2016 #18

I stand up against bigotry WHENEVER I see it...including when it's directed towards NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #33

Nobody is stopping anybody from changing. stone space Dec 2016 #76

Couldn't agree with you more. Paladin Dec 2016 #19

And those who don't think an Obama voter could be racist don't understand racism. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #21

Yet they are the first and the loudest to lecture the rest of us about it EffieBlack Dec 2016 #44

Because I'd like to win the presidency back in 2020? mythology Dec 2016 #28

I disagree. I have no desire to appeal to racist, misogynistic, xenophobic people Laurian Dec 2016 #34

Democrats will NEVER win without those lost states...NEVER NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #49

"those who did not vote " TwilightZone Dec 2016 #59

I'm just fed up with seeing bigotry flowing freely on this site against entire groups NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #66

It's only directed at white voters who voted for Trump gollygee Dec 2016 #71

Yeah, we had one of those here, too. The cops even gave him his confederate flag back. stone space Dec 2016 #79

And THAT Trump voter is a racist, clearly a member of the alt-right NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #87

I don't much care how Trump voters are labeled. LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #40

You are using a couple of questionable assumptions... NCTraveler Dec 2016 #23

"How is one deemed not racist because they voted for Obama?" EffieBlack Dec 2016 #36

He showed up and talked about bringing back jobs. She showed up and talked about him. NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #38

"He showed up and talked about bringing back jobs. She showed up and talked about him." NCTraveler Dec 2016 #42

You seem to thing if the people who voted for a white sepremacist campaign will check their . . . brush Dec 2016 #46

"not addressing the economic concerns " TwilightZone Dec 2016 #60

It doesn't matter if they are racist. Adrahil Dec 2016 #27

And I haven't seen any of them condemn the racist violence in Trump's name or his making a EffieBlack Dec 2016 #47

rump supporters are all racist... scscholar Dec 2016 #54

If you vote for someone who is openly racist and sexist, you are supporting racism and sexism. Squinch Dec 2016 #57

yup, Trump and Ben Carson are friends and i don't doubt that Trump actually likes him JI7 Dec 2016 #73

I seriously don't get this defense of an obvious act of racism and sexism. A vote for Squinch Dec 2016 #81

No one is embracing racists! Many here are falsely labeling people as such... NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #88

If you vote for someone who is openly racist and sexist, you are by definition racist and sexist. Squinch Dec 2016 #89

I Include them all too bravenak Dec 2016 #90

By all means, keep calling them racist and demeaning their lives and views Calista241 Dec 2016 #58

David Souter retired in 2009 TwilightZone Dec 2016 #61

You're right, I meant Breyer. n/t Calista241 Dec 2016 #64

This is simply untrue. There are multiple threads now with proof of why it isn't true. Let me Squinch Dec 2016 #82

People voting for a candidate endorsed by the KKK & saluted by the Nazis are racist by definition. baldguy Dec 2016 #63

What they are is misogynistic. nt. marybourg Dec 2016 #69

I actually do believe that they are racist and sexist, but the thing that kept more of them from Squinch Dec 2016 #83

If they voted for Trump, then they don't care about racism... SidDithers Dec 2016 #74

why didn't his racist comments bother them? DesertFlower Dec 2016 #78

you may be right; that and people ALWAYS want "a change." nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #80

Many people told me they voted for the "muslim nigger"!!! And told me I was not a "nigger" like bravenak Dec 2016 #84

Racist behavior is usually due to emotions utilized over logic. Quayblue Dec 2016 #91

Wrong. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #93