2016 Postmortem

William Seger

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18. I can only speak from my own experience, but...

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:19 PM

Dec 2016

... indeed there are a lot of racists and sexists in this country, including those who are proud of it and those who would swear up and down that they are not, because they don't recognize their own prejudiced thought patterns.

But I also think that Trump had another group of supporters who aren't bigots themselves, but they have grown up so embedded in bigotry that they have become indifferent to it, because it doesn't affect them. Some may even be mildly offended by racist remarks, but treat it sort of like that guy who got drunk and obnoxious at a party: hey, other than that, he's a good guy, so forget about it.

But as has been pointed out, 100% of Trump supporters think it's not a deal breaker, and that's depressing as hell.

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Sometimes the truth is obvious: we're a more racist and sexist country than we thought. [View all] DanTex Dec 2016 OP

I totally agree gollygee Dec 2016 #1

and add in the acceptance of that bigotry by the media JI7 Dec 2016 #2

Watching them normalize his cruel and idiotic rants was just too much. bettyellen Dec 2016 #5

He may not be good for America, 90-percent Dec 2016 #16

It seems to be what Americans want and like. It's hard to see otherwise! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #3

2.5 million more Americans voted for Hillary than Trump. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #12

Quite true, of course, but the vote for Trump was deplorable, so many like him. WTF! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #15

I suppose the only surprising thing for me is that so many are surprised by this revelation. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #4

I think you are absolutely right. Laurian Dec 2016 #6

Oh - and ableist! gollygee Dec 2016 #7

Trump got 62 m votes Pantagruel Dec 2016 #8

if you vote for a self-identified racist and misgoynist Skittles Dec 2016 #23

K&R mcar Dec 2016 #9

From post #7 above - "People liked him because he spoke his mind." 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #10

Sadly, I agree. mountain grammy Dec 2016 #11

K&R. Paladin Dec 2016 #13

I agree that this country tenisfin Dec 2016 #14

Well, we do know that elmac Dec 2016 #17

We also know that over 40% of eligibles didn't bother DeadLetterOffice Dec 2016 #34

I can only speak from my own experience, but... William Seger Dec 2016 #18

No we're not.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #19

That over 40% of eligibles didn't come out to vote... DeadLetterOffice Dec 2016 #35

I know a classic West Coast California Racist.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #39

how do we know what they think? treestar Dec 2016 #45

I'm more likely to believe the anti-NAFTA rustbelt line. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #48

We could bring back 90% tax on billionaires IronLionZion Dec 2016 #20

Practically no one ever actually paid that rate. Wouldnt do any good. 7962 Dec 2016 #29

That's a talking point... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #40

You're talking more corporate money than individual. 7962 Dec 2016 #43

I want to take away enough so they can't buy the government.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #47

Some people remember a time when the factory was humming, everybody had jobs, it was great Dems to Win Dec 2016 #21

does Taylor understand DONALD'S and IVANKA'S PRODUCTS ARE MADE OFFSHORE Skittles Dec 2016 #22

Trump voters believe he HAD to outsource... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #41

My gut reaction was to argue Nevernose Dec 2016 #24

Whatever flaws our candidate had, it was nothing compared to Trump's. LisaL Dec 2016 #25

They're used to having flaws! 7962 Dec 2016 #30

the bar is way higher for Democrats Skittles Dec 2016 #32

I don't know. Honest answer. Nevernose Dec 2016 #33

everyone is flawed, she has a better record than most people of doing good for others. the people JI7 Dec 2016 #36

there will always be racists and sexists but limbaugh and sons have been used certainot Dec 2016 #26

The only comfort is that, BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #27

Yep kebob Dec 2016 #28

I believe most of us knew it. We're just more racist and sexist than we ever wanted to admit. TonyPDX Dec 2016 #31

AMEN, you speak the Truth! n/t iluvtennis Dec 2016 #37

I think we all were kidding ourselves, believing that as a society COLGATE4 Dec 2016 #38

It was the BELTWAY MEDIA that has absolutely ZERO CLUE about the rest of America who pushed that... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #42

True and I've seen the theory that treestar Dec 2016 #44

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #46

This is completely untrue mcar Dec 2016 #55

The truth hurts agalisgv Dec 2016 #49

I think there is a significant proportion that knew exactly how sexist and racist we are ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #50

Yet, we elected an Afraican American Twice RFKISNEEDED Dec 2016 #51

There was more to Clinton's loss ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #52

True, but racism wasn't on the ballot in 2012 like it was this year. DanTex Dec 2016 #53

The majority of the country wants empire Generic Brad Dec 2016 #54