2016 Postmortem

NanceGreggs

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60. Every campaign makes "mistakes".

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 11:48 PM

Dec 2016

But it's rather ludicrous to argue that those "mistakes" were fatal, in view of the fact that that campaign won the majority of voters.

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The Fatal Flaw in the Post-Mortem Analyses [View all] NanceGreggs Dec 2016 OP

Too many of them knew one thing for sure: they didn't like her BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #1

As far as tRump polling as being more honest... I always say never underestimate the stupidity of the average American voter. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #5

This was an unparalleled election. a I would not take away anything from it at all. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2016 #16

You certainly can't trust an FBI to which you have appointed a Republican to head. nt Nay Dec 2016 #41

In the end, the majority of voters ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #17

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #2

Your post needs video. Here: longship Dec 2016 #4

Not a bad analysis... you're absolutely right, the average voter is horribly misinformed... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #3

The average AMERICAN VOTER sheshe2 Dec 2016 #6

Even a surprising number of intelligent, well-educated people I know... maddiemom Dec 2016 #15

Agree. And when a 20-something was giving me his (uninformed) views on the election spooky3 Dec 2016 #64

Well put. Unfortunately, the response to that politically needs to be flashier, more social Grown2Hate Dec 2016 #7

My idea may be a bit stupid, but in this day and age, might be the only hope... rwsanders Dec 2016 #13

I've often thought this might be a good idea. Ligyron Dec 2016 #43

I'm thinking Ted Danson rwsanders Dec 2016 #72

yep... dhill926 Dec 2016 #8

I live and work in places that voted in T Tumbulu Dec 2016 #9

Mega Dittos...n/t orwell Dec 2016 #19

and yet we control Hollywood pretty much Ligyron Dec 2016 #45

A lot of that stupidity is driven by the Reich Wing media . . FairWinds Dec 2016 #10

Like the OP is saying, the average American voter doesn't Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #20

Respectfully disagree, Mr. Grey FairWinds Dec 2016 #53

Not a Mr. Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #55

Sadly this is pretty close to accurate. Flatpicker Dec 2016 #11

NanceGreggs brings up a lot of fair points as does Beyond Geography. PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #12

Why would we have someone "controversial" as our candidate? NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #23

It doesn't matter how qualified a candidate is when they're shrouded in controversy PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #28

Yeah, I get your point. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #32

Having a candidate who's actually electable is a good thing. PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #34

Hillary won the popular vote ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #57

Because she didn't win. PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #68

So Democrats should forget about the country ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #69

There are numerous reasons why the Clinton's lost. applegrove Dec 2016 #14

25+ Years of Marketing Bettie Dec 2016 #18

The last thing most voters heard about was from Comey world wide wally Dec 2016 #21

sigh.... KnR Hekate Dec 2016 #22

can't really disagree... nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #24

Excellent analysis...nt asuhornets Dec 2016 #25

She should have visited, just visited, the Upper Midwest and PA RelativelyJones Dec 2016 #26

She thought she had their votes covered, bad mistake in hindsight! akbacchus_BC Dec 2016 #29

She should have ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #30

You still need to show up and rally the troops RelativelyJones Dec 2016 #35

Sorry, but no. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #58

So you think the campaign made no mistakes? RelativelyJones Dec 2016 #59

Every campaign makes "mistakes". NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #60

I agree. RelativelyJones Dec 2016 #71

according to this thread, what good would it do? NRQ891 Dec 2016 #44

The meme "But she should have campaigned in 'X' state" has been debunked BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #51

Have you seen this list of all of her events in PA, WI, etc., during that time period? spooky3 Dec 2016 #65

Not only that, CNN and MSNBC had trump on tv 24 effing 7. Those two networks got trump elected, akbacchus_BC Dec 2016 #27

I was in the States for a week in October, and I noticd that, too DFW Dec 2016 #39

What you said! leftofcool Dec 2016 #31

K&R brer cat Dec 2016 #33

It's simpler than any of the above, just not ready for a female POTUS. CK_John Dec 2016 #36

I'm not sure I buy that NRQ891 Dec 2016 #42

Niki Haley, Jan Brewer, that horrible woman from Tenn, Blacksomething Ligyron Dec 2016 #47

None ran for POTUS but it is the only way we will get a female POTUS is CK_John Dec 2016 #54

Another of your Magic Eight Ball prophecies, eh? LanternWaste Dec 2016 #82

that too, absolutely; the first one always has to be shot down, but never forget, she actually WON TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #56

Blue collar workers in the Rust Belt know Pres Clinton signed NAFTA and PNTR with China Dems to Win Dec 2016 #37

Where's the standing ovation emoji? Nwgirl503 Dec 2016 #38

they can smell condecendsion, that's for sure NRQ891 Dec 2016 #40

K&R BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #46

Yes but those people at the water cooler or break room do listen to Political Junkies Ligyron Dec 2016 #49

I work in an office like that BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #50

Wait....they wouldn't vote if Obama wasn't on the ballot? LisaM Dec 2016 #79

Yup. BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #83

In Seattle we have a lot of elections. LisaM Dec 2016 #85

Outside of ad hoc special elections BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #89

We have vote by mail only (I'm not a fan, actually) LisaM Dec 2016 #91

I thought I had seen that Washington State (and I think Oregon) had mail-in BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #92

Most people like it more than I do, but.... LisaM Dec 2016 #93

The key states were so close that "political junkies" may well have made the difference this time. dawg Dec 2016 #48

Actually agree with this BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #52

It's the Electorate's fault that a candidate didn't win? TransitJohn Dec 2016 #61

Uh, yeah. n/t NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #62

Brilliant. TransitJohn Dec 2016 #63

It has absolutely nothing to do with trust. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #66

A huge section of America is into reality shows marlakay Dec 2016 #67

K&R! DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #70

We had a primary candidate who was aggressively pulling in formerly disconnected voters hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #73

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #74

And yet Hillary still got millions more votes than he did and handily won the GE by over 3 million JTFrog Dec 2016 #88

What are you even talking about? hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #94

You are looking at the FUV as if it isn't a symptom of something systemic. JCanete Dec 2016 #75

she lost due to the electoral college treestar Dec 2016 #76

I know very different "average voters" than the ones you described. democrank Dec 2016 #77

Simply fed up my ass. JTFrog Dec 2016 #80

I didnt use the word "all", since I prefer "some" or "many" democrank Dec 2016 #84

DU rec... SidDithers Dec 2016 #78

!!!!! BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #90

Nope. You can't dismiss the effect of three decades of right-wing mythology. Orsino Dec 2016 #81

Great post Gothmog Dec 2016 #86

I find it hard to believe, but I partially agree with you. Exilednight Dec 2016 #87

Hillary Clinton lost because people wanted an 'outsider' this election, and Hillary is perceived,.. aidbo Dec 2016 #95

Were these same voters NeoConsSuck Dec 2016 #96