2016 Postmortem

Buckeye_Democrat

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42. Why only racist? Maybe some of them were misogynist?

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 09:39 AM

Dec 2016

Maybe some of them hated the idea of a female President so much that they voted for Trump even when they didn't like his racism? Heck, maybe a few African American males did that?

That's not a great example since there's probably lots of crossover among misogynists and racists, but my main point is that sometimes people ally themselves with people/organizations with qualities they highly dislike because other issues override them.

Married white evangelicals almost certainly voted for Trump based on exit polls. White evangelicals (who comprised about 36% of the white voters according to CNN's exit polls) chose Trump over Clinton by 80% to 16%, and married whites strongly voted for him too. I also read an article awhile back that stated people who are white, "born again" and married are the most reliable Republican voters by far. They're about as reliable to vote for the Republican candidate as African Americans voting for the Democratic candidate in recent years.

My married "born again" sister might have voted for Trump (I don't even want to ask) and she's not racist. I saw her happily hug an African American preacher who performed the wedding of one of her children, and I don't think she'd care about anyone's skin color as long as they proclaimed themselves followers of Jesus. (She often interjects concerns about my salvation since I'm an agnostic, and she'd probably do it more often if I didn't tell her in the past that her proselytizing had an opposite effect on me.)

People can argue that people can still be racist even if they hug a black man with abandon or we've never heard them making racist comments, and that's true, but we could argue along those lines about everything. We're never going to know with certainty what's in other people's hearts.

Do I think Trump had more racist voters than Clinton did? Of course! A Reuters poll indicated that was the case:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-race-idUSKCN0ZE2SW

Even if we declare that all Trump voters are racist, what's that supposed to accomplish?

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The Slaves Masters WERE NOT RACIST. They lived with black people and slept with them too!! [View all] bravenak Dec 2016 OP

That really does boil down how some view racism. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #1

You are right, but there is also no numerical evidence to believe that those who Squinch Dec 2016 #2

+1 NCTraveler Dec 2016 #4

Yes, exactly. Here is another good one that debunks the myth of the "white working class rust belt" Squinch Dec 2016 #8

It also doesn't fit the narrative. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #25

This one says more wold-be Hillary voters in the rust belt stayed home than voted. sfwriter Dec 2016 #26

YES YES YES BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #27

YES!!!!!!!!!!!THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! heaven05 Dec 2016 #70

Yeah, cry me a river! Lots of lifestyles have been disrupted! raging moderate Dec 2016 #100

"fancy guns" BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #108

I don't know a single Obama supporter who voted for Trump. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2016 #63

It's so pathetic bravenak Dec 2016 #3

Some were motivated by that... Begabig Dec 2016 #5

If they voted for an openly avowed racist and sexist, they voted to give a racist and a sexist the Squinch Dec 2016 #7

Or at the very least, enablers paleotn Dec 2016 #17

Enablers is the word I've been using... TCJ70 Dec 2016 #39

I've been using it too mcar Dec 2016 #74

Most that I have met only heard 'build the wall' and 'muslims are terrorists and mexicans are rapist bravenak Dec 2016 #9

And if trump is thier alternative , shame on them for accepting the hate he spews and lunasun Dec 2016 #10

yeah, yeah, yeah heaven05 Dec 2016 #41

If it wasn't enough to turn them off, it makes no difference to me. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #98

I agree this can not be accepted as normal in 2016 lunasun Dec 2016 #6

and they kept them as mistresses Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #11

Yep. We have plenty of slave master blood in us. Too small to fight them off bravenak Dec 2016 #12

Yes and I'm pretty sick of their claims treestar Dec 2016 #13

The more they whine the more I know they are bravenak Dec 2016 #14

There's one person here who keeps defending trump voter and calling us elitists for calling them out brush Dec 2016 #102

I have a few suspects on my list as well bravenak Dec 2016 #111

Keep clinging to your claim mythology Dec 2016 #15

Everybody I know that voted Trump is hateful towards one or more groups he demonized bravenak Dec 2016 #16

And trump got 2x as many black & hispanic votes as Romney. 7962 Dec 2016 #18

I watched my black hispanic cousin celebrate his victory. I threw up bravenak Dec 2016 #19

That's not true. Any improvement was only 1 or 2 %. JustinL Dec 2016 #93

Well different polls show different numbers 7962 Dec 2016 #96

Trump got the usual small percentage of the black vote, 8%, nothing at all to crow about brush Dec 2016 #103

Not all trumps voters are racist, but pretty much all the racists dionysus Dec 2016 #109

Like Brexit, the result of the 2016 election does indeed boil down to that. joshcryer Dec 2016 #24

Not really. The world is pretty simplistic Nwgirl503 Dec 2016 #28

Love your response. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #99

Apparently Trump's racism was not a deal breaker True_Blue Dec 2016 #107

yes! That worked so well the first time... frankieallen Dec 2016 #20

2.5 million more voters think so bravenak Dec 2016 #21

Most who voted for trump are racist hueymahl Dec 2016 #22

Most is enough. Enough to notice who you are in a group with. bravenak Dec 2016 #33

I don't disagree with that at all hueymahl Dec 2016 #97

And those who are not racists, per se mcar Dec 2016 #78

Racist at worst and enablers at best... Docreed2003 Dec 2016 #101

Loving you so much right now! EffieBlack Dec 2016 #23

Back at you! I cannot believe this shit bravenak Dec 2016 #31

Me neither - the fact that we have to explain this to "Democrats" - SMH EffieBlack Dec 2016 #56

Amazing isn't it. They seem to think that by wooing voters who voted for a white supremacist . . . brush Dec 2016 #104

They had black friends. Iggo Dec 2016 #29

But did they have black relatives? That make them the most unracistist. Through osmosis bravenak Dec 2016 #30

That's right! Iggo Dec 2016 #51

Shame his voters. Amen, bravenak. Thanks. Paladin Dec 2016 #32

I see it the same way. Those who were fooloed will be angry. Lets make sure they remember bravenak Dec 2016 #34

Sounds like a plan to me. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #37

THIS!!! EffieBlack Dec 2016 #57

And my Mexican-American mother voted for Trump because "Hillary!" Bad Thoughts Dec 2016 #35

Good for her. Is she proud of herself? I would shame her like I shame my own family members. bravenak Dec 2016 #36

Yes, she is. Bad Thoughts Dec 2016 #38

Point out every fucking mistake he makes and ask her if she's still happy bravenak Dec 2016 #40

Why only racist? Maybe some of them were misogynist? Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #42

If they vote for a racist/sexist because they are religious then they have more important issues bravenak Dec 2016 #44

The evidence of that example strongly indicates racism, of course. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #47

But he KISSED THEM! That absolves him bravenak Dec 2016 #50

That didn't absolve them at all. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #67

"What's that supposed to accomplish?"!!!!! heaven05 Dec 2016 #55

They can't be misogynist...their mothers were women after all. nt jmg257 Dec 2016 #92

k/r heaven05 Dec 2016 #43

These folks would have told us we need to be more like the Nazi Party to win voters bravenak Dec 2016 #45

So true heaven05 Dec 2016 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #46

If they are not racist they why the rate of hate crimes increase? bravenak Dec 2016 #48

I agree with you; my argument with you is your rhetorical style. Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #59

Best way to get folks to think is to hit them with it bluntly bravenak Dec 2016 #60

+1 Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #61

If the shoe doesn't fit you, just don't put it on. raging moderate Dec 2016 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #113

That's why I don't ask that question. raging moderate Dec 2016 #114

And they fed their slaves, too - they must have LOVED those people! George II Dec 2016 #49

Took great care of them! Gave them shelter, exercise with the dogs! bravenak Dec 2016 #54

K&R Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #52

It's totally magic. Like everything republicans believe in bravenak Dec 2016 #62

Great post Gothmog Dec 2016 #53

K&R!!! greatauntoftriplets Dec 2016 #64

heh heh... ancianita Dec 2016 #65

How do we take this nationally though BigBadDem Dec 2016 #66

We make fun of Trump with no Hillary to distract the media bravenak Dec 2016 #69

That doesn't answer the question BigBadDem Dec 2016 #72

It is very effective. They are now busy whining that their racist asses are getting called racists bravenak Dec 2016 #75

How many Trump supporters do you know? BigBadDem Dec 2016 #76

I live in a red state bravenak Dec 2016 #80

So are you shaming hundreds of Trump people daily, weekly, monthly, annualy? BigBadDem Dec 2016 #83

I do it in person, I do it in line at the store bravenak Dec 2016 #84

Good on you for going after them, but you are buying sexist racist homophobes their food? BigBadDem Dec 2016 #87

I have to but it because he is STUPID and dying from organ failure bravenak Dec 2016 #89

Thats just a ridiculous analogy, and an insult to the intellegence of this board (nt) jack_krass Dec 2016 #68

It only insults the folks that resemble the people I discuss bravenak Dec 2016 #71

K&R mcar Dec 2016 #73

Pain didn't cause racism or sexism IronLionZion Dec 2016 #77

IT really does bravenak Dec 2016 #82

they sure did sleep with slaves heaven05 Dec 2016 #79

Constantly bravenak Dec 2016 #81

k&r steventh Dec 2016 #85

I know. Holding it in hurts. We need to stop biting our tongues bravenak Dec 2016 #86

yes indeed steventh Dec 2016 #91

There is no escaping the FACT, that those who voted for trump were well aware of his still_one Dec 2016 #88

Yep bravenak Dec 2016 #90

White wingers love founding fathers who talked of liberty and freedom, then went home to beat Hoyt Dec 2016 #94

Back when America was truly great ... EffieBlack Dec 2016 #95

K&R betsuni Dec 2016 #105

::waves at bravenak:: DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #106

It actually improves my mood when they act all shocked. bravenak Dec 2016 #112