2016 Postmortem

Dems to Win

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75. When people's lived experiences conflict with economic studies, they believe their own eyes

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 10:50 PM

Dec 2016

Uncontrolled undocumented immigration isn't the only reason that half the country is poor or near-poor, but it is a real factor. And people feel that politicians won't listen to them when they pass something like Prop 187, and 'elites' tell them the problems with illegal immigration are just their imagination.

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Democrats have to advance young leaders and go back to working-class roots [View all] portlander23 Dec 2016 OP

And 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 until a slew of posts are made calling those blue collar workers racists NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #1

that is a bunch of crap dsc Dec 2016 #2

Good luck in 2018 ... 2020 ... 2022 ... portlander23 Dec 2016 #3

then why did Feingold and Strickland lose? dsc Dec 2016 #5

Because Clinton was the top of the ticket portlander23 Dec 2016 #6

she did better than either one of them dsc Dec 2016 #8

The point of the article is illustrated in this conversation portlander23 Dec 2016 #9

well show me some actual evidence that these voters gave a damn about trade dsc Dec 2016 #12

The exit polls portlander23 Dec 2016 #16

No that is plain, flat out, gold carat false dsc Dec 2016 #18

Yep portlander23 Dec 2016 #20

You could bring all the evidence until you're blue in the face.. JHan Dec 2016 #51

She did worse than Obama among voters earning less than 50k. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #55

No... SidDithers Dec 2016 #24

NO THIS IS NOT TRUE AT ALL JI7 Dec 2016 #39

Bingo. Trumpers voted for establishment GOP candidates radius777 Dec 2016 #49

the pro trade candidates did the best . better than trump. while anti trade dens did worst. worse JI7 Dec 2016 #40

Yep. stopbush Dec 2016 #11

Been saying it for years zipplewrath Dec 2016 #4

We need house and senate candidates to boldly say: PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #7

+1 portlander23 Dec 2016 #10

yeah it is a real winning message for Asians dsc Dec 2016 #13

Clearly a modern, updated version. PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #15

the fact is the New Deal worked dsc Dec 2016 #17

We're into parody at this point portlander23 Dec 2016 #19

I am not saying economic justice has to have racism to exist dsc Dec 2016 #21

Clinton lost voters Obama won in 2012 and 2008 portlander23 Dec 2016 #23

Where are the Democratic leaders going into these communities? PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #32

Beshear won the area dsc Dec 2016 #45

Welcome to DU... SidDithers Dec 2016 #25

Exactly. The FDR party was a Dixiecrat party, radius777 Dec 2016 #50

Yes. And ignore the race-baiters who want to denigrate FDR. hueymahl Dec 2016 #28

this mike_c Dec 2016 #59

First they have to show an interest in the process WhiteTara Dec 2016 #14

I think it's the opposite. I think the left has to stop pointing at Clinton's loss kcr Dec 2016 #22

Progressives that want economic justice are not racists portlander23 Dec 2016 #26

Ok. Keep banging that drum. kcr Dec 2016 #29

Yes, the real losers of this election are exactly those people hueymahl Dec 2016 #33

According to the exit poll portlander23 Dec 2016 #34

Good post hueymahl Dec 2016 #31

Race is a real issue portlander23 Dec 2016 #35

Absolutely. hueymahl Dec 2016 #38

You lost me at "third way" mcar Dec 2016 #66

She opposed single payer, wanted a no fly zone where Russian planes were flying jfern Dec 2016 #78

I'll stop "smearing the party's nose in it" when the party... mike_c Dec 2016 #60

Blue collar workers are decreasing in number while white collar workers are increasing. LonePirate Dec 2016 #27

Sigh Me. Dec 2016 #30

What is wrong with adding economic justice to the platform? portlander23 Dec 2016 #36

Nothing Is Wrong With It Me. Dec 2016 #42

Saying we need economic justice portlander23 Dec 2016 #43

Due Respect Me. Dec 2016 #44

It is a combination of all those things.. JHan Dec 2016 #52

"While voters lost their homes, bankers kept their bonuses." Dems to Win Dec 2016 #37

Youth, yes. Organized labor, yes. Rural Dem outreach, yes. But enough with the WCW narrative. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #41

Yes, the platform was eminently better however... MaeScott Dec 2016 #46

Many people see immigration as an economic issue Dems to Win Dec 2016 #47

I don't get it...Obama was once referred to as "Deporter In Chief" JHan Dec 2016 #53

Numbers. 400,000 deported per year, millions remain in the country Dems to Win Dec 2016 #58

Let's remember our core values: JHan Dec 2016 #61

Yep, no human being is illegal. And it's right wing policies that lead to mass migrations. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #62

Core values include living wage jobs for working class Americans Dems to Win Dec 2016 #67

"tolerating illegal immigration".. JHan Dec 2016 #70

I'll add to that: Garrett78 Dec 2016 #73

thanks for those links Garrett... JHan Dec 2016 #74

When people's lived experiences conflict with economic studies, they believe their own eyes Dems to Win Dec 2016 #75

Yes people believe lots of things.. JHan Dec 2016 #76

It is an economic issue. Do away with undocumented workers and the US economy would collapse. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #63

In this 'uncollapsed' economy, half of Americans can't meet an unexpected $400 expense Dems to Win Dec 2016 #65

Fresh young leaders are important Dems to Win Dec 2016 #48

I disagee. The "Young Leaders" need to work their way up the latter jus like everyone else. n/t Lil Missy Dec 2016 #54

It sounds like you're saying they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps? OhioBlue Dec 2016 #68

Then we agree! Lil Missy Dec 2016 #72

aw heck - I left one word out and after re-reading it completely OhioBlue Dec 2016 #77

My advice? You and the author of this tripe should get over yourselves. n/t Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #56

For years I saw many people, including pundits and people on this very board, claiming Exilednight Dec 2016 #57

exactly. n/t OhioBlue Dec 2016 #69

I keep hearing this. But.... Adrahil Dec 2016 #64

Sum up Hillary's economic plan in 3 to 5 words. Exilednight Dec 2016 #71