2016 Postmortem

Chathamization

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83. Considering both sides were enraged at the thought of superdelegates voting against their candidate

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 10:53 PM

Dec 2016

that seems like a no-brainer. I'm surprised that there are still people trying to defend the system. I didn't see any Sanders supporter that thought it was fair when a lot of the superdelegates got behind Clinton in the beginning, and I didn't see any Clinton supporter that thought it was fair for Sanders to try to flip the superdelegates at the end (of course, there were some people against both Sanders and Clinton trying to use them)). It's hard to see how anyone now in favor of them is being intellectually honest.

As seen by the primaries, when they're not useless they end up alienating a large chunk of the base. I'm not sure why anyone would be in favor of them. And no, they wouldn't have stopped Trump - people need to do the math before repeating this falsehood.

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Harry Reid On Bernie And The DNC: Everybody Knew That This Was Not A Fair Deal [View all] think Dec 2016 OP

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TOO many. elleng Dec 2016 #2

I'm not sure anyone can say it any clearer than Harry Reid did. But perhaps some haven't had a think Dec 2016 #3

"Facts", or opinion? George II Dec 2016 #8

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What facts? BainsBane Dec 2016 #34

I liked the weekend debates and they got high ratings. LisaM Dec 2016 #4

The DNC introduced a new exclusivity rule which forbid candidates from attending non DNC sanctioned think Dec 2016 #6

How many DECLARED candidates did we have in the summer of 2007 vs 2015, and how many were Democrats? George II Dec 2016 #9

13 debates in 2007 before the 1st debate took place in the same time frame in 2015. think Dec 2016 #12

Two totally different "dynamics" in the campaigns - 2007/2008 was nothing like... George II Dec 2016 #57

Even O'Malley called the debate process rigged. Was O'Malley wrong too? /nt think Dec 2016 #58

Thanks, Debbie! Iggo Dec 2016 #5

My wife agrees. progressoid Dec 2016 #7

My wife doesn't agree. George II Dec 2016 #10

My wife doesn't care one way or the other. (nt) stone space Dec 2016 #26

I don't have a wife. TheLibIn615 Dec 2016 #55

I'm a wife mcar Dec 2016 #72

Maybe if Bernie was a Democrat before needing the DNC it would've been different. nini Dec 2016 #13

Bernie chose to run within the party and had every right to. O'Malley was also upset at how it was think Dec 2016 #15

Too bad he was allowed to run as a Dem huh? NWCorona Dec 2016 #65

Bernie chose not to go third party because that would throw the election to the GOP. tblue37 Dec 2016 #80

Dean needs to get back into the race for DNC chair. Shemp Howard Dec 2016 #14

Umm.... LovingA2andMI Dec 2016 #28

Poor Bernie... SidDithers Dec 2016 #16

It was Debbie Wasserman Schultz that was forced to resign. Bernie chose to ignore all that the DNC think Dec 2016 #17

Oh please.. party unity? nini Dec 2016 #22

Sour grapes NWCorona Dec 2016 #67

Why bother? I think there's an endemic emotional incapacitation... reduced to blaming even in the JudyM Dec 2016 #78

It's a whole lot easier than engaging in serious introspection. n/t cloudbase Dec 2016 #82

Poor Bernie? He's stronger than ever! NWCorona Dec 2016 #66

Sanders Meaningless Tweets & Demands Will Be Ignored by GOP otohara Dec 2016 #75

He's getting more coverage that almost any other Dem right now. NWCorona Dec 2016 #79

Geez, even Jim Webb's in on the action. (n/t) SMC22307 Dec 2016 #18

Medical marijuana passed with over 70% in FL. DWS supports putting medical mj patients in prison. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #19

The overall result of limiting debate was.to under expose our candidates. And our ALBliberal Dec 2016 #20

It was frustrating watching the GOP have debates while the DNC promoted a GOP watch party game think Dec 2016 #24

So frustrating. We should have showcased ALBliberal Dec 2016 #30

The perfect storm elmac Dec 2016 #21

And Obama appears unwilling... SHRED Dec 2016 #23

But if you need a Pay Day loan, Debbie's your gal! jalan48 Dec 2016 #25

BFD!!! CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #27

This Right Here....Thank You!! LovingA2andMI Dec 2016 #29

This should be an OP. murielm99 Dec 2016 #31

Life is not fair but the DNC was suppose to be. I'd prefer getting use to the DNC being the neutral think Dec 2016 #32

The problem is by that point, Sanders had no viable path to the nomination mythology Dec 2016 #56

The DNC COVERTLY pushed a false story that Sanders supporters were violent & throwing chairs think Dec 2016 #60

The guy was threatening to throw a chair and those who were intimidating attendees bettyellen Dec 2016 #61

Hillary for Prison Was a Big Hit With Diehard Sanders Fans at DNC otohara Dec 2016 #71

The actions of a few Sanders supporters AFTER learning about the DNC cheating justifies the cheating think Dec 2016 #76

Link(s) otohara Dec 2016 #77

Spot on Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #36

+1000! mcar Dec 2016 #73

Feet hurting? Bullet holes'll do that. hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #81

It takes votes to win BainsBane Dec 2016 #33

How about learning what the DNC actually does? BainsBane Dec 2016 #35

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I was just looking for that link mcar Dec 2016 #74

.... Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2016 #37

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Are we going to get rid of super delegates? paigeatemyshoes Dec 2016 #39

That is the last thing we should do. murielm99 Dec 2016 #40

No we should never get rid of super delegate who always vote with the winner Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #43

"No we should never get rid of super delegate who always vote with the winner" TCJ70 Dec 2016 #48

Bernie lost because less people voted for him...the rest is just an excuse. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #62

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Considering both sides were enraged at the thought of superdelegates voting against their candidate Chathamization Dec 2016 #83

This is from July and honestly makes me dislike Bernie more. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #41

The DNC breaks the rules and you blame Bernie more. got it. think Dec 2016 #46

The DNC did not cause Bernie to lose...he didn't get the votes...and our Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #63

The DNC intentionally pushed a false story that called DEMOCRATIC Bernie supporters violent think Dec 2016 #64

Wahhhhhhh! bravenak Dec 2016 #42

The DNC broke the rules on several occasions to favor one candidate over the party itself. think Dec 2016 #47

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No they did not. He was not a democrat and still aint. Thats why he lost. Because there are bravenak Dec 2016 #50

So you support the DNC breaking rules? Is that what you're saying? think Dec 2016 #51

I support them no longer breaking the rules of ONLY DEMOCRATS CAN RUN AS DEMOCRATS bravenak Dec 2016 #52

Please show where Bernie Sanders broke the rules by running as a Democrat. think Dec 2016 #53

The dnc broke their own rules by letting him run bravenak Dec 2016 #54

... NWCorona Dec 2016 #69

Then the DNC shouldn't have allowed Bernie to run as a Dem. NWCorona Dec 2016 #68

The job of the DNC is to raise money and oversee FAIR PRIMARIES. PassingFair Dec 2016 #70

He still hasn't become a Democrat. marybourg Dec 2016 #59