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2016 Postmortem
Showing Original Post only (View all)Bill Press: Sanders didnt damage Clintons public image [View all]
Press: You cant blame BernieBill Press
The Hill
Most disturbing and offensive are those Clinton supporters notably not Clinton herself who are trying to lay all the blame on Sanders. Especially loudmouth Peter Daou, head of Shareblue, who, in the true spirit of Donald Trump, tweeted out: Ill be crystal clear: Bernie Sanders has absolutely no business determining the course of the Democratic Party after the harm he did to us.
... Sanders didnt damage Clintons public image. In fact, remember, he rejected his own staffs recommendation by refusing to make an issue of her use of a private email server, which turned out to be the one issue that hurt her the most.
Nor did Sanders harm the Democratic Party. He actually helped both Clinton and the Democratic Party by stirring up new excitement in the primaries, bringing millions of young people into the party and making Clinton a stronger, more progressive candidate. Without him, for example, Clinton would never have opposed the Keystone XL pipeline or the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
Yes, the Democratic Party can rebuild. But it will never do so until the Clinton campaign first takes responsibility for losing this election all by itslef and stops blaming Bernie Sanders.
... Sanders didnt damage Clintons public image. In fact, remember, he rejected his own staffs recommendation by refusing to make an issue of her use of a private email server, which turned out to be the one issue that hurt her the most.
Nor did Sanders harm the Democratic Party. He actually helped both Clinton and the Democratic Party by stirring up new excitement in the primaries, bringing millions of young people into the party and making Clinton a stronger, more progressive candidate. Without him, for example, Clinton would never have opposed the Keystone XL pipeline or the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
Yes, the Democratic Party can rebuild. But it will never do so until the Clinton campaign first takes responsibility for losing this election all by itslef and stops blaming Bernie Sanders.
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Ill be crystal clear: Bernie Sanders has absolutely no business determining the course ..
stonecutter357
Dec 2016
#1
Big rallies don't mean anything if the people don't vote. Sanders could not beat Clinton.
brush
Dec 2016
#213
Yeah, keep believing that. Sanders wasn't even in the race when she got those delegates.
brush
Dec 2016
#434
Not Clinton's fault true - it's the DNC's fault for being in the tank for Clinton!
Joe941
Dec 2016
#435
Did you not get that Sanders wasn't in the race when she secured those early delegates?
brush
Dec 2016
#436
And do you think the other campaigns didn't? Sanders' campaign didn't have it's emails hacked . . .
brush
Dec 2016
#438
I do not believe Sanders was being helped one iota by media or DNC. They were for Hillary.
Joe941
Dec 2016
#441
Exactly right. Corporate Dem was just a contrived talking point to demonize people,
R B Garr
Dec 2016
#219
I hope so too. I will never understand why it is somehow a principle of the left to
Demsrule86
Dec 2016
#395
No such thing as a corporate democrat, you are as naive as you are misinformed.
sylvanus
Dec 2016
#292
The problem with all this is this country is NOT going to jump that far to the left that fast
nini
Dec 2016
#187
Yup, Bernie showed us the way to victory with his appeal to average folk...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#333
Because the litmus test for "the left" or "true progressives" has become a manifesto
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#339
If the Spineless Democrats in Congress,the Corporatists, sit on their hands and allow
INdemo
Dec 2016
#420
I googled! Bernie Sanders has absolutely no business determining the course of the Democratic Party
Cha
Dec 2016
#58
He set up his re-election committee even before the Convention, registered as an independent.
George II
Dec 2016
#253
He is a member of the left coalition which is fundamentally Democratic in a 2 party system
Gore1FL
Dec 2016
#406
If we want to be united than we should all join one of the two parties...may I suggest the
Demsrule86
Dec 2016
#413
Having loyalty to the only party that can stop the GOP is not about labels.
Demsrule86
Dec 2016
#423
OMG...you were told from the very beginning that Hillary Clinton was a flawed candidate.
INdemo
Dec 2016
#119
Didn't work indeed! What we needed was a true progressive... that person?... Bernie!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#336
I think that's a fair statement... while we obviously will never know for sure what might have been, I have a pretty good idea.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#341
Bernie is just the most likable candidate we've seen in a long time... not to mention RIGHT on so many issues!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#338
I'd be all for it if a progressive comes along that has Bernie's charisma who can appeal to common folk the way he does and, like Bernie, is on the right side of the issues...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#404
You make some good points... all I'm sayin is, someone like Bernie, regardless of age, is unique in his ability to relate to people. THAT'S what a politician needs more than anything...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#417
Precisely one of the points I've been trying to get across to people. You made it a lot more succinctly Demsrule... my compliments!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Dec 2016
#426
Well NOBODY at the top has any business determining the course of the Democratic Party for US!
JCanete
Dec 2016
#197
How about the millions of Democrats who voted for Bernie; do they get no say in shaping the Party?
Martin Eden
Dec 2016
#299
I hope the blame and the finger pointing will stop soon and we can all be united.. We are in for a
secondwind
Dec 2016
#2
That's hilarious. It's this type of passive-aggressive unreality tripe that makes Bernie look
R B Garr
Dec 2016
#20
Bernie is willing to work with him, too. But look at how ready you are to divide the party
R B Garr
Dec 2016
#30
Yes - we should all get along, which in the minds of many HRC supporters means
el_bryanto
Dec 2016
#37
So the many signs given by congressional democrats that they are willing to work with Trump
el_bryanto
Dec 2016
#49
yeah, it bothers me, does it bother you that Bernie said he would? Answer that and then we can
boston bean
Dec 2016
#53
pretty sure that is not what was said. but that was a good ole college try on that.
boston bean
Dec 2016
#59
I actually did laugh at that comment. Again, it's this type of tunnel vision, all or nothing
R B Garr
Dec 2016
#206
Bernie jumped on the Trump train much quicker than the Hillary train and that is a fact. His post
seaglass
Dec 2016
#120
Yeah, but Hillary was a "sellout" for settling for $13 an hour according to the gospel of Bernie
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#273
The radical left I( not Democrats) loses elections...they have no idea nor the motivation
Demsrule86
Dec 2016
#81
We won the popular vote, and there is a whitelash against 8 years of a black president.
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#328
What an awful message you're sending to many people here on this forum with this statement
bekkilyn
Dec 2016
#31
No, if one doesn' like democrats and has nothing good to say about them, but are full of vim and
boston bean
Dec 2016
#43
So all you look for is a D beside the name on a ballot and nothing else. Gotcha. (nt)
bekkilyn
Dec 2016
#71
I vote for the Democrat always...and until more do...the GOP will decide policy...
Demsrule86
Dec 2016
#132
More? You and yours will have the party Whiging out in less than 20 years, 12 if you
TheKentuckian
Dec 2016
#306
The mayor of my town is an I and is widely popular with both D's and R's and does a great job.
bekkilyn
Dec 2016
#99
There is a huge difference between "disrespecting" Democrats and dealing with hard truths
hueymahl
Dec 2016
#157
Respectfully, I don't feel like you read my response (or, more likely, I was not being clear)
hueymahl
Dec 2016
#355
Are you saying that someone who won't lower himself to join the party he wants to lead
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#274
If saying that he was "ashamed" of Democrats after the election was bridge building
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#373
I am not pissed off at you btw, If my words come off as an attack on you I apologise but...
JHan
Dec 2016
#163
"The only one running who is espousing the fight for people over corporate money."
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#287
"Because everyone else is evil in direct proportion to Bernie's sainthood"
ProfessorPlum
Dec 2016
#345
I wonder why he cares so much about the democratic party if it is so filled with a bunch of losers
boston bean
Dec 2016
#38
He still has not joined the party he has said for DECADES he would NEVER join.
boston bean
Dec 2016
#69
He's one of the only Senators who actually fights for what the Democratic Party
ProfessorPlum
Dec 2016
#75
yeah, they will all just dismantle and follow bernie... I dont' think so. LOL
boston bean
Dec 2016
#84
Really...still beating the meme...Hillary Clinton is not corrupt and never was.
Demsrule86
Dec 2016
#135
Both Partys are chock full of politicians who have sold their soul and ours too in order
Dustlawyer
Dec 2016
#418
The unions were the traditional source of money for dems, but their backs have been broken
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#329
SoS usually enjoy high favorability, and when she runs her favorability always drops
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#46
Guess what Bill you damaged our nominee as well...so I have no interest in anything you say.
Demsrule86
Dec 2016
#7
I find it hard to believe after reading the numerous vitriolic attacks on Clinton
Nitram
Dec 2016
#11
You just proved that HRC was a terrible campaigner and the worse candidate the Dems
Larkspur
Dec 2016
#143
Hillary never came close to saying the terrible things about Obama that Bernie said about her day
Demsrule86
Dec 2016
#153
HRC brought up the ghost of the RFK assassination to justify why she was staying in the 2008
Larkspur
Dec 2016
#233
He was running against Clinton for the nomination. The fact that his message resonated with millions
jalan48
Dec 2016
#85
She got more votes than any candidate in history (and counting) other than Obama.
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#363
Not what I said, but if attacking a straw man makes things palatable for you, go for it. (nt)
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#371
The whole ethos of Bernie's campaign was divisive. It was intended to be that way.
R B Garr
Dec 2016
#26
From the looks of it. Bernie's crime was to have the nerve to run against Hillary. Nt
NWCorona
Dec 2016
#115
Running a divisive bitter primary against both Hillary and the Democratic Party
Demsrule86
Dec 2016
#116
It's a cabal, isn't it? The Democratic Party. Makes you wonder why Bernie wants to lead it... (nt)
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#325
Terrible Bernie! Tryin' to sound like Hubert Humphrey & those other Trotskyites!
Eleanors38
Dec 2016
#255
A 'populist' message that required you hate Hillary just as much as you supported Bernie.(nt)
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#337
This disaster is the media's fault - by a very large margin , they are the ones who....
Lucky Luciano
Dec 2016
#50
A lot of those votes were from Democrats, like me, who supported Bernie in the primary
Larkspur
Dec 2016
#129
In a fair election they would've, this election... on its face.... is fucked to high heaven no doubt
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#309
Voter suppression, Comey and M$M email stories says that's false... she was running up hill from
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#310
Well no irony here. The same forces that fucked with Clinton's campaign fucked with
JCanete
Dec 2016
#227
So what you're saying is that everyone should have just gotten out of the way for Hillary?
BigBoss26
Dec 2016
#148
Since Obama won both the EV and Popular Vote twice, HRC should have won them in 2016
Larkspur
Dec 2016
#122
Actually that is not true...historically winning a third term after a two term presidency
Demsrule86
Dec 2016
#140
Hillary didn't lose because of Bernie. She lost because she was a shitty candidate.
backscatter712
Dec 2016
#149
the republican most used breibart.com fake news, newsmax & this Hill were up there with the top 5
Sunlei
Dec 2016
#150
A Question Here For The Hillary Supporters & Bernie Bashers Here In This Thread.....
global1
Dec 2016
#151
Press is a jerk, but I tend to agree that Sanders wasn't the real problem in this election
Fast Walker 52
Dec 2016
#158
Sanders is not a Democrat and has no business determining the course of the Democratic Party.
Lil Missy
Dec 2016
#179
Oh give it a frigging rest would you? We have much bigger fish to fry than navel gazing
Dr. Mullion Blasto
Dec 2016
#208
Two Hillary bashing posts from the poster in one morning (did I miss others?).
riversedge
Dec 2016
#226
This is mostly not a Hillary bashing post. The last line sucks, and we need to move
JCanete
Dec 2016
#230
I myself have stayed out of the many Hillary bashing theads here in the postmortem and
riversedge
Dec 2016
#234
Press was part of the group who wanted Bernie to run. Not exactly impartial here. n/t
Lucinda
Dec 2016
#235
Yeah, Bernie is totally the 'future' of a party he won't lower himself to join.
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#268
Yeap, the anti establishment shit was part of the M$M normalizing DPutins Band Of Bigots
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#313
Hell, let's settle this once and for all: It's all MY fault, and I accept responsibility.
Buns_of_Fire
Dec 2016
#288
Simply said, the Democratic Party failed to address the needs of the majority of voters.
mia
Dec 2016
#295
Because "leftists" need to take responsibility for 80 years of helping reaction win.
forjusticethunders
Dec 2016
#379
Again, she got the popular vote. Any other time (besides Gore) she would be the winner.
Rex
Dec 2016
#386
She didn't get the swastika/confederate flag vote, if that's what you mean. (nt)
ehrnst
Dec 2016
#424
Maybe, but his supporters who called here a crook, criticized her for emails, etc., did hurt.
Hoyt
Dec 2016
#427
Not just her but anyone who helped her. Look what he did to DWS, Donna Brazille,
ucrdem
Dec 2016
#440