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2016 Postmortem

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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Tue Dec 6, 2016, 07:51 PM Dec 2016

I think the "it ISN'T about economics" argument is, ultimately, a deeply right wing position. [View all]

Last edited Wed Dec 7, 2016, 03:56 AM - Edit history (2)

(on edit; To clarify the people who make that argument aren't THEMSELVES right wing, but the argument itself is, because it is essentially states that we don't need to advocate any significant structural change in society, and that we can defeat social oppression without altering anything else in the system).

The roots of that argument are not in any concern about our position on institutional bigotry-every one of us here, no matter who we backed in the primaries, is solidly committed to continuing, if not intensifying our battle against structural racism, sexism, homo-and trans-phobia, anti-Muslim bigotry and anti-immigrant bigotry.

The only reason to deny that economic issues played a major role is to maintain our party's current cozy relationship with the corporate world and with Wall Street. Those are the only groups who would lose anything from a greater commitment to egalitarian economics, full taxation of the 1%, and a trade policy that puts jobs, human needs and environmental sustainability on the same plain with short-term profits for the few. And they are the only ones that would have any reason to object to a serious effort to wipe out poverty in this country and this world. Those are also the sectors who have the greatest interest in perpetuating institutional bigotry, because institutional bigotry always increases the profits of the 1%, while at the same time protecting their dominance through the division of the left-out economic majority.

Those who prioritize social justice(again, a set of causes any progressive will always be in solidarity with) would gain from a strengthened economic justice program-and such a program could easily be designed to take into account historic patterns of oppression. And the vast majority of economic justice advocates would be glad to listen and to go into dialog with people who feel that historically oppressed groups might be left out in the cold-there is a clear intent to prevent that from happening and this would be a good time to try having a somewhat trusting conversation.

Institutional racism and grassroots racism remain massive problems. And all forms of bigotry need to be confronted. Acknowledging that regional hard times played a role in November's result doesn't require anyone to shut up, doesn't require any of the things we care about to be put on the back burner, and especially doesn't require anyone to be thrown under the bus. All we are really trying to do is to figure out how to get more people to RIDE the bus and to make sure the bus reaches the depot.

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Well said. nt el_bryanto Dec 2016 #1
much of Trump's nastiest treatment, was directed toward the other republicans NRQ891 Dec 2016 #2
The anti-establishment angle is overblown. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #5
the re-election of GOP incumbant, was motivated by 'Hillary-Containment' strategy NRQ891 Dec 2016 #7
Oh, please. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #9
May or may not be 'deeply rightwing,' elleng Dec 2016 #3
Or one could just look at exit polls. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #4
But part of the immigration issue is economic. potone Dec 2016 #11
Nah, I don't think it's that complicated. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #15
Thank you Cosmocat Dec 2016 #29
lol JI7 Dec 2016 #6
I'll give you this. yallerdawg Dec 2016 #8
Not Stein's message(she didn't start any of that) and I never supported her. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #14
Not true and insulting to boot. boston bean Dec 2016 #10
To whom? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #17
The lie itself is an insult. Stats refute your OP..... embarrased to read this BS here. bettyellen Dec 2016 #20
I didn't tell any lies. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #22
Hahahahahahaha Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #12
Those specific people should be condemned. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #13
It was a large group of people. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #16
Yep. Someone suggested POC would better able to afford the lawyers they needed... bettyellen Dec 2016 #19
People who would say those things are idiots and I join you in denouncing them. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #23
I accept that social oppression is the major part of your economic oppression Ken Burch Dec 2016 #24
How many times do we have to educate you on this? forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #26
I don't even know why I post in his threads. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #36
And if I had ever argued that we need to put the fight against bigotry to the side, you'd be right Ken Burch Dec 2016 #41
So why are you accusing people of putting economic concerns to the side? forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #42
Because that's the only explanation for all the threads on how economic issues played no role Ken Burch Dec 2016 #48
Economic injustice can't be defeated without defeating social injustice gollygee Dec 2016 #37
I agree with you on that. Always have. Pretty sure the vast majority of the left actually does. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #40
... LexVegas Dec 2016 #39
No it is rooted in reality dsc Dec 2016 #18
Yep Cosmocat Dec 2016 #30
Wow. Much words. betsuni Dec 2016 #21
I didn't say any person was right wing. I said an argument was right wing. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #25
Spreading the falsehood that Hillary prioritized social justice over economics is right-wing. DanTex Dec 2016 #27
Yup La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #44
"The minimum wage is too high" - Donald Trump ProfessorPlum Dec 2016 #28
There is ample proof that those who voted for Trump did not care about the economy. Those Squinch Dec 2016 #31
Who needs the GOP when Democrats and Liberals sabotage their own platform with GOP talking points.. JHan Dec 2016 #32
To my mind, those who spew GOP talking points are not Democrats or Liberals. So there's that. Squinch Dec 2016 #33
I don't get it, this is self-sabotage that only weakens us... JHan Dec 2016 #35
Bingo on all counts. And it isn't unintentional. Squinch Dec 2016 #38
People making that argument still haven't looked at Hillary's policy pages BainsBane Dec 2016 #46
It was a good platform...but in the ads I saw, we didn't talk about it enough. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #50
I think the 'it ISN'T about racism and sexism" argument is, ultimately, a deeply right wing position ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #34
Yup La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #43
Racism and sexism played a role...I never said they played NO role.... Ken Burch Dec 2016 #49
How is the fact that Clinton won voters making under $50k a year BainsBane Dec 2016 #45
That fact, plus exit polls show that those who La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #47
In my life social justice has always been the overriding issue and always will be. hrmjustin Dec 2016 #51
In my life economic issues has always been the overriding issue. azmom Dec 2016 #52
That would be a great argument.... Adrahil Dec 2016 #53
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